Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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I'd be fine with him, too.
Of all the speculated people it's really just Dvorsky I wouldn't be happy about if the Habs drafted him, but wouldn't be pissed.
HF Habs: 2023 NHL Draft part 2
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Of all the speculated people it's really just Dvorsky I wouldn't be happy about if the Habs drafted him, but wouldn't be pissed.
He's one of the worst skater in the draft, that's why he's not higher on people's list.
Toene
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The most common criticism I see is people saying his body will break down like Gallagher's did because of his style and size. Benson is twice as talented as BG and wont be used as a "net-presence" because it would be a waste of his qualities. And even then, Gally gave us at least a decade of great possession stats. The awful contract makes it easy to forget how effective he was in his prime. A lot of goals he helped create that didnt register in his stats because he didnt touch the puck but his presence directly affected the play into succeeding.
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You could tell in today's presser that Hughes loves Smith and Leonard.
Leonard's floor is super high, the only question mark is his size vs his style of play. Is he big enough to play a power forward in the NHL and stay healthy? Other than that he appears to be a can't miss prospect.
Assuming there's no surprise in the top 4 it's going to be either Leonard or Reinbacher. IMO in the end they'll go with the premium position and pick the right-handed defenseman but I won't be surprised if they pick Leonard.
Leonard's floor is super high, the only question mark is his size vs his style of play. Is he big enough to play a power forward in the NHL and stay healthy? Other than that he appears to be a can't miss prospect.
Assuming there's no surprise in the top 4 it's going to be either Leonard or Reinbacher. IMO in the end they'll go with the premium position and pick the right-handed defenseman but I won't be surprised if they pick Leonard.
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I personally believe the order is :
Smith
Leonard
Reinbacher
Dvorsky
in the eyes of Montréal's scouts. From the little information we were privy to.
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Could be. I think they prefer Leonard but in the end they'll value the defenseman more.
If they believe that Reinbacher can be a first pairing RD it's a HUGE piece of the puzzle in any rebuild, they are extremely hard to find...you basically have to draft them (whereas top 6 wingers are a dime a dozen on the trade and UFA markets).
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Well its not just about pure performance, I agree that Bjarnasson didnt have impressive peak performances and had his ups and downs at the U18, but inconsistency with young goaltenders isnt unusual, with Bjarnasson you take the gamble that it will come together with proper development, but the upside remains very high since technically he is pretty strong and the size is ideal. There are alot of similarities with a young Carey Price, not only because he wears the same number, but technically, similar size, calm in net and similar inconsistency in their draft year. People want upside with the Florida pick, Bjarnasson is the biggest homerun swing you can take IMO.
MarkovsKnee
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No, not at all. I mean 20 years ago they were probably still being under drafted, but I don't think that's an issue as much anymore.
MarkovsKnee
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Leonard won't be there past #6. If we don't take him at #5, Arizona will take him #6. There's no dropping back here.
River Meadow
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If I were GM I'd be scared as hell to draft Michkov when there are way easier paths....
You need to talk to Michkov and his team and make damn sure you get some assurances and hear what you need to hear.
You need to talk to Michkov and his team and make damn sure you get some assurances and hear what you need to hear.
Jack Skellington
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Why is there no reason to believe we would be interested? Is that your contextual read on the situation or has information come out?
The only undersized forward we have in the pipeline that actually means anything is Caufield. Guys like Mesar, Farrell, RHP, Gallagher, mean sweet f*** all for the actual future of this team. They're interchangeable and we shouldn't be selecting our 5th overall pick around them, it should be the other way around. The core guys we have in place are for the most part good sized players.
I can't think of a more Martin St Louis style player than Benson and he epitomizes the words Hughes uses to describe players he wants. Compete, skill, intelligence. People call him an average skater but IMO hes a fantastic skater overall. He has average top speed, which is a huge difference. Far less important than his elite footwork and agility for the style of play he has.
The injury concerns are fair, but is that really how we're going to draft players now?
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I think interest on Leonard will vary from one club to the next. The fact Smith gets the 1 on 2 supper with Jarmo and JD (Columbus) and not Leonard is significant.
MarkovsKnee
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Not really. Columbus has already said that they're taking a center, and absolutely no one expects Leonard to go #3. There's no surprise at all that Fantilli, Carlsson & Smith are who they're taking to dinner. One of those 3 will be a Columbus Blue Jacket.
Arizona has already had multiple interviews with Leonard and had dinner with him this week. They're seriously interested.
Jabba11
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It would be crazy to see Carlsson fall to us. Pretty nice to be honest.
Bedard
Fantilli
Smith
Michkov
Carlsson
Very possible scenario!
Bedard
Fantilli
Smith
Michkov
Carlsson
Very possible scenario!
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Were overrating Leonard if we believe hes gonna be probably the best goalscoring powerforward ever, lol. I mean, if you're going to say this, why is he 5th on your list? Pump those numbers up and put him 1st.
Hes 5'11 and super skilled, hes not 6'1 and coming off a year where he terrorized the dub, lol.
Hes 5'11 and super skilled, hes not 6'1 and coming off a year where he terrorized the dub, lol.
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50 goals 90 point in a low scoring era Iginla isn't a realistic expectation. So many things would have to go right, so it's unlikely and not something you can really factor in. But the style is kind of there. At least, the "idea" of that kind of player is. Iginla also had some 30 goals 70point ish seasons which could be more around the high end for Leonard, just ad he could just as well be a high end Farabee at 40-60 points. Something like an Adam Deadmarsh. Deadmarsh was a hell of a gamer and around the same size. That might actually be my best comp for him and more accurate to convey the style/potential. You're completely wrong about Iginlas draft year though. He didn't terrorize the dub. He went just under ppg. He was like 60 points under the leading scorer on his team
Also... Aren't you the guy who was christening a late second rounder, who you had middle of the first, as a "100 point potential" player? You're freely giving advice you're not taking yourself.
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SOLR
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But should not be in the top 90.
So we are drafting Michkov for sure then.
HuGo Burner Acc
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Apparently he really wants to play in the NHL. I think ultimately he will and the team that drafts him will be laughing all the way to the podium
Honestly if I were Anaheim, I'd pick michkov. He's that much better than fantilli and Carlsson that I'd risk it
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every position bust but your odd of getting starting Goalie in the 1st and the 4th are almost equivalent which just isn’t the same with FW or D…
every year there a goalie from the 2nd, 3rd or 4th that is better or equivalent to the first G drafted which just doesn’t happen with other position.
Because goalie are harder to predict, they take longer to develop, the difference between the top goalies and the worst is a lot less significant than players.
Out of Price, Galchenyuk and KK, price is the most successful pick yet he still wasn’t the best pick. If you are convinced the goalie the better make you make the pick but you have to be aware that historically lot of team fail to identify the best goalie.
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Maybe, maybe not.
We don't really know, but he's a player that does check off boxes that there looking for. This is a management group that did draft Marchand, and has a coach in MSL, so at least we do have an expertise in knowing what to look for in a smaller player. I get he's a bit of a long shot cause of his size, but he's also the type of player to find success in this league with his toolkit and attributes.
Mrb1p
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Iginla was on the 2nd line behind Doan and dint play PP, his story is well known. He was a physical force that was seen as a grinder, thats what I meant, Leonard isnt a physical player first, hes a skilled player with physicality sprinkled in, similar to Slafkovsky.
Whos the late second rounder?
I like how you made it a point to reply to me in a rude way even though you basically agreed with what I said. I think you may need a moment, friend.
Andrei79
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It's difficult to see what you mean if you're not explaining it though. But yeah, Iginla was seen as you say. Leonard is more physical than Slaf though. He hurts guys with open ice hits. He's kind of like a current era Deadmarsh, if I can reprize that comp, meaning more skill and less of that 90s bulldozer kind of playstyle.
It should have said early (Firkus).
Pointing out a discrepancy isn't anymore rude when you're on the receiving end than when you're doing it. You know you're quick on the hyperboles, so I'm not sure why you're pointing them out tbh. But yeah, if it felt demeaning that wasn't the intention.
If we go back to our own individual biases though. Leonard is definitely the kind of player I'll overshoot. That Deadmarsh/Iginla kind of gamer who can skate and make skilled plays is just so unique that I'd tend to forget he's his own player with his own trajectory. That trajectory could be just a better Farabee.
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