Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft - Part 2 (Who Do You Want To Draft At #2)

[Hockey Duckie]

Why are ducks fan not ecstatic that they replaced Getzlaf with winning 2nd overall?

Forgive me if you guys are, I never read any posts here , I just didn’t notice you guys on main boards.

Perhaps you guys are a composed bunch and don’t brag.


Cheers

Small fanbase, and also we didn't win 1OA, so it feels less worthy of bragging.

Yup. Second time the Ducks miss out on a generational talent as they end up with the 2nd OA pick. Missed out on Crosby and, now, missed out on Bedard.

 

[Leonardo87]

Very humble.

You guys generally don't count your chickens before they hatch. Now Kings fans, they kept telling Sharks fans that Vilardi, Turcotte, Byfield were going to own the Sharks every single night for the foreseeable future and look how that turned out

It's funny, I actually have no issues with San Jose or their fans. Kings, Devils, and Islanders. Yeah, don't care for those teams, lol.... I'm being nice there.

I've been to several Ducks vs Sharks games at Honda Center, and it's just good fun hockey, fans are laid back not obnoxious to each-other. Was even chatting with a SJ fan last game I went to.

I think it will be even more fun once both our teams are competitive again.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Very humble.

You guys generally don't count your chickens before they hatch. Now Kings fans, they kept telling Sharks fans that Vilardi, Turcotte, Byfield were going to own the Sharks every single night for the foreseeable future and look how that turned out

Turcotte can't even dominate the AHL team of the Sharks.

 

[Reveille1984]

Very humble.

You guys generally don't count your chickens before they hatch. Now Kings fans, they kept telling Sharks fans that Vilardi, Turcotte, Byfield were going to own the Sharks every single night for the foreseeable future and look how that turned out

Imagine if the Kings drafted Stutzle/Zegras instead of Turcotte/Byfield...

Too early to say they're busts obviously, but those misses might have sent them from perpetual powerhouse to perpetual 1st/2nd round exit playoff team. Especially as Kopitar/Doughty keep getting older.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Imagine if the Kings drafted Stutzle/Zegras instead of Turcotte/Byfield...

Too early to say they're busts obviously, but those misses might have sent them from perpetual powerhouse to perpetual 1st/2nd round exit playoff team. Especially as Kopitar/Doughty keep getting older.

Kings will be lucky to be the new minny wild of the league. Big trouble they are in, with fat face doughty and anze Frankenstein kopitar on their last legs. Wait until you see how much their productions go down this season.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I can see us moving McT to wing with Fantilli arriving.

I think due to the way they play Terry and Zegras fit quite well. And I think McT could do well on Fantillis wing. Mindset seems to be very similar, which is awesome. Maybe Olen will play wing as well

And I can really see some sort of:

Lundy - Fantilli - McT
Terry - Zegras - Jones


For some reasons I have high hopes regarding Perrault.

Don't agree with the idea of moving McTavish to wing instead of Z. Don't think it's realistic either. Faceoffs aren't everything, but McTavish took more draws and had a higher success rate as a rookie with significantly less ice time than Z last year.

If Fantilli is the choice and he makes the team out of camp, I think we see something closer to this:

Rico - McTavish - Terry
Zegras - Fantilli - Stroke

You could also make the argument Fantilli starts on the wing like both Zegras and McTavish did.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Imagine if the Kings drafted Stutzle/Zegras instead of Turcotte/Byfield...

Too early to say they're busts obviously, but those misses might have sent them from perpetual powerhouse to perpetual 1st/2nd round exit playoff team. Especially as Kopitar/Doughty keep getting older.

and K'Andre Miller instead of Kupari in 2018.

 

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[hotcabbagesoup]

and K'Andre Miller instead of Kupari in 2018.

don't say that name haha. We had a chance to take KAM and I definitely wanted him that year but instead we picked Ryan Merkley lol

 

[Ducks DVM]

It's funny, I actually have no issues with San Jose or their fans. Kings, Devils, and Islanders. Yeah, don't care for those teams, lol.... I'm being nice there.

I've been to several Ducks vs Sharks games at Honda Center, and it's just good fun hockey, fans are laid back not obnoxious to each-other. Was even chatting with a SJ fan last game I went to.

I think it will be even more fun once both our teams are competitive again.

Hopefully not the type of fun we had that last time we met in the playoffs though. Brawls on the concourses after the games, saw quite a few people bleeding and being treated by paramedics.

 

[Leonardo87]

Hopefully not the type of fun we had that last time we met in the playoffs though. Brawls on the concourses after the games, saw quite a few people bleeding and being treated by paramedics.

Wow, didn’t know that. Going to a regular season game seemed chill. I‘ve never been to a Ducks playoff game.

I’ve had issues with Devils and Rangers fans clashing, right in front of me in fact. But never knew that, would expect more against LA.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Hopefully not the type of fun we had that last time we met in the playoffs though. Brawls on the concourses after the games, saw quite a few people bleeding and being treated by paramedics.

That kind of stuff happened more often than you'd think when I worked there. Seemed like it happened once a month during the season.

Alcohol and idiots aren't a good mix.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

don't say that name haha. We had a chance to take KAM and I definitely wanted him that year but instead we picked Ryan Merkley lol

I kinda imagine we had KAM as our pick at #23 that year, but rangers grabbed him and we went with Lundestrom.

I dont mind lundestrom... i still think he has another step he can take in terms of production... but honestly we dont really do him many favors putting guys like Leason and the corpse of silfverberg on his wing.

I like the old days of the Neidermyer Pahlsson Moen line... and would love to see something like Jones Lundy Gaucher... but idk if any of them have shown enough offfense to be a 3rd line in todays nhl.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I dont mind lundestrom... i still think he has another step he can take in terms of production... but honestly we dont really do him many favors putting guys like Leason and the corpse of silfverberg on his wing.

I don't really understand this common line of thinking around here. It's not as if Lundestrom has consistently outshined his linemates, especially after last season where Vatrano was his most common linemate behind Silfverberg (Leason was 7th, just behind Nesterenko).

He's had one great year, but I think people tend to get carried away and think that's going to be the norm - much like when Comtois went off.

He'll be (and is) a solid 3C, but anyone expecting more than that is likely to be disappointed.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Wow, didn’t know that. Going to a regular season game seemed chill. I‘ve never been to a Ducks playoff game.

I’ve had issues with Devils and Rangers fans clashing, right in front of me in fact. But never knew that, would expect more against LA.

There are plenty of good San Jose fans. The playoffs plus beer brings out the worst in the San Jose fans historically. Detroit was even worse though. Good riddance to those idiots. I had a (drunk) woman try to start a physical altercation with me when I said that morons who threw squid on the ice DURING PLAY needed to be thrown out because “it was tradition” and I didn’t know what I was talking about. Said idiot was MAYBE half my size.

 

[Leonardo87]

There are plenty of good San Jose fans. The playoffs plus beer brings out the worst in the San Jose fans historically. Detroit was even worse though. Good riddance to those idiots. I had a (drunk) woman try to start a physical altercation with me when I said that morons who threw squid on the ice DURING PLAY needed to be thrown out because “it was tradition” and I didn’t know what I was talking about. Said idiot was MAYBE half my size.

Yeah , you can’t let an entire fan base be judged because of a few bad apples. Every fan base has them. But I’ll be the first to admit, Rangers fans are crazy. Some folks already want Laviolette fired and he has not even been hired yet. Lol.

 

[duckpuck]

Don't agree with the idea of moving McTavish to wing instead of Z. Don't think it's realistic either. Faceoffs aren't everything, but McTavish took more draws and had a higher success rate as a rookie with significantly less ice time than Z last year.

If Fantilli is the choice and he makes the team out of camp, I think we see something closer to this:

Rico - McTavish - Terry
Zegras - Fantilli - Stroke

You could also make the argument Fantilli starts on the wing like both Zegras and McTavish did.

I think there's a decent chance Fantilli starts on the wing - like they did with McTavish (and for that matter, Zegras). Let him adjust before placing the additional responsibility on him.

I don't really understand this common line of thinking around here. It's not as if Lundestrom has consistently outshined his linemates, especially after last season where Vatrano was his most common linemate behind Silfverberg (Leason was 7th, just behind Nesterenko).

He's had one great year, but I think people tend to get carried away and think that's going to be the norm - much like when Comtois went off.

He'll be (and is) a solid 3C, but anyone expecting more than that is likely to be disappointed.

First of all, being a solid 3c is nothing to sneeze at. But I too think he can be better than solid.

Lundestrom has absolutely been dragged down by some pretty terrible line mates AND playing on a matchup line that was often asked to play defense. Matchups are very important. Vatrano is a bit of a one trick pony and, in any event, it takes 2 talented line mates to get it done. Hard to shine when the players around you aren't very good. Same argument that was made when Fantilli was lined up with Lucic.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I think there's a decent chance Fantilli starts on the wing - like they did with McTavish (and for that matter, Zegras). Let him adjust before placing the additional responsibility on him.



First of all, being a solid 3c is nothing to sneeze at. But I too think he can be better than solid.

Lundestrom has absolutely been dragged down by some pretty terrible line mates AND playing on a matchup line that was often asked to play defense. Matchups are very important. Vatrano is a bit of a one trick pony and, in any event, it takes 2 talented line mates to get it done. Hard to shine when the players around you aren't very good. Same argument that was made when Fantilli was lined up with Lucic.

His linemates and matchups are what they are because he's being used appropriately. Third line centers don't tend to have top 6 wingers attached to their hip while potting 50+ point seasons with tough matchups. It doesn't work that way.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Re Michkov - ICE encounters and DOS asylum applications from Russians at US-Mexico (!) border is up damn near five THOUSAND percent. 22,000 Russians making that trek, and that was as of February. Point being, they're sensing something. These aren't the elite, these are people who have to travel overland via the so-called caravan route through Central America. My fear is that a Ukrainian counteroffensive if successful will lead to a general mobilization and a corresponding general lockdown of Russian military-aged men sometime in the fall of this year.

Could be wrong! But the indicators out of Russia are not super favorable for extracting high-profile young men to play hockey in the next few years. Worth gambling a #2 pick? If he wasn't under contract right now I think I'd probably feel differently but he is, so.

 

[Reveille1984]

Re Michkov - ICE encounters and DOS asylum applications from Russians at US-Mexico (!) border is up damn near five THOUSAND percent. 22,000 Russians making that trek, and that was as of February. Point being, they're sensing something. These aren't the elite, these are people who have to travel overland via the so-called caravan route through Central America. My fear is that a Ukrainian counteroffensive if successful will lead to a general mobilization and a corresponding general lockdown of Russian military-aged men sometime in the fall of this year.

Could be wrong! But the indicators out of Russia are not super favorable for extracting high-profile young men to play hockey in the next few years. Worth gambling a #2 pick? If he wasn't under contract right now I think I'd probably feel differently but he is, so.

We just really can't take the risk to be honest with the top end strength of the draft.

If this were previous years and Fantilli/Carlsson didn't exist after Bedard, then yeah I'd say go for broke. But when you have two guys that will likely become franchise 1Cs, it just doesn't make sense to gamble on Michkov even with his upside. Especially for our team specifically, we need some big bodies.

 

[duckpuck]

His linemates and matchups are what they are because he's being used appropriately. Third line centers don't tend to have top 6 wingers attached to their hip while potting 50+ point seasons with tough matchups. It doesn't work that way.

1. The ducks "third line' wingers would AT BEST be 4th line guys on any good team.

2. Not all third lines are constructed the same way. Historically the ducks have used the third line as a shut down (or at least defensive oriented) line. Initially that was by design - more recently that was due to lack of talent. Good teams - like LV - have offensively talented third lines. LV ices Karlsson and Reilly Smith on their third line. Lundestrom has never consistently played with linemates like that.

 

[lwvs84]

1. The ducks "third line' wingers would AT BEST be 4th line guys on any good team.

2. Not all third lines are constructed the same way. Historically the ducks have used the third line as a shut down (or at least defensive oriented) line. Initially that was by design - more recently that was due to lack of talent. Good teams - like LV - have offensively talented third lines. LV ices Karlsson and Reilly Smith on their third line. Lundestrom has never consistently played with linemates like that.

Hopefully Ducks get another winger for the top 6, either cheap because of cap casualty (DeBrusk?) or a kid breaking out (Tracey/Perrault/Nesterenko?). Then they can slide everyone down the lineup assuming the #2 pick plays next season in the top 6. Bottom 6 can be:
Vatrano-Lundestrom-Strome
McGinn(?)-Groulx(?)-Silf

That gets Silf off the 3rd line and puts him in a more limited 4th line/PK specialist role, adds better offense to Lundestrom's line, and probably a bunch of players that can revolve around in that 4th line.

Hopefully the Ducks try Tracey/Perrault in pre-season with 2 of the top 6 forwards. For some reason, I think Perrault will be better as a 3rd wheel than he will be as one of the guys counted on to carry a line (the Rakell to Getzlaf and Perry basically). That may not necessarily be this season, but hopefully he's one of the answers to the top 6 long term.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Lundy will be traded probably once his stock is higher next summer to make room for N gauch or at the trade deadline 25… my bold prediction

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Lundy will be traded probably once his stock is higher next summer to make room for N gauch or at the trade deadline 25… my bold prediction

I didn't realize we have so much NHL quality depth to trade away a Lundy

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

1. The ducks "third line' wingers would AT BEST be 4th line guys on any good team.

2. Not all third lines are constructed the same way. Historically the ducks have used the third line as a shut down (or at least defensive oriented) line. Initially that was by design - more recently that was due to lack of talent. Good teams - like LV - have offensively talented third lines. LV ices Karlsson and Reilly Smith on their third line. Lundestrom has never consistently played with linemates like that.

1. Agree on Silfverberg at this stage of his career but, saying Vatrano would AT BEST be a 4th liner on a good team is asinine. He was a third liner playing for a good Florida for years and also on Conference Finalist Rangers team just prior to signing with us.

2. That's fair, but you're shifting conversation to roster construction philosophy rather than the idea that there's some other level Lundestrom can't attain solely because of his linemates.

I don't disagree that he could put up better numbers if he's used in a different role with linemates that are more offensively gifted, but I don't think there would be some new level unleashed in his game solely because of it. Furthermore, I don't think that's the way he should be used on this team with the likes of Zegras, McTavish, and potentially Fantili or Carlson ahead of him on the depth chart at center.