Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft - Part 2 (Who Do You Want To Draft At #2)

[GunnarStahl]

Been a rule for many years. I assume the thinking is that division winners shouldn't be picking higher in the draft than non-divisional winners.

Now I need to find out what team got pushed back as far as possible as a result of this rule, It pushed colorado back 3 picks and thats rather substantial in the 1st.

 

[Gliff]

Schenn
Gudas
Dillon
McNabb
Gudbranson
Edmonson
Xhekaj
Sanderson
Trouba
Hamanic
Cernak
Cole
Bogosian
McCabe
Smith
Brown
Englund
Tinordi
Middleton
Lauzon
Foote
Mayfield
Schneider
Seeler
Gilbert
Zadorov
Nurse
Oleksiak
Dunn
Burroughs

There are definitely many more

2/3 of those guys are bottom pairing defensemen or NHL/NHL tweeners lol.
Tinordi has 153 NHL games in 10 years in the NHL.
Lauzon has 30 points in 209 NHL games in the 8 years he was drafted.
Seeler has 29 points in 225 NHL games and he was drafted 12 years ago lol.
Burroughs was drafted in 2013 and has 95 NHL games.

Did you just sort defensemen by hits per game or something?

 

[tomd]

Now I need to find out what team got pushed back as far as possible as a result of this rule, It pushed colorado back 3 picks and thats rather substantial in the 1st.

The Florida pick owned by Montreal. Prior to the playoffs that pick was 17th. Now that Florida has made it to the conference finals, the pick will be 29-32. Montreal fans were ecstatic earlier in the season when Florida was struggling and was a lottery team with a shot at Bedard. Too bad for them. The same thing happened to the Ducks in 2019 when Saint Louis went to the finals. The pick started at 22 and ended at 29. Brayden f'ing Tracey was the result.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Now I need to find out what team got pushed back as far as possible as a result of this rule, It pushed colorado back 3 picks and thats rather substantial in the 1st.

As a result of the division winners rule that’s probably roughly about as far as you can go. There’s only four divisions, someone has to be a conference finalist from each and the league is so balanced there shouldn’t ever be anything too crazy.

The conference finalists being the last four makes for some wild swings, though. Tom mentioned Montreal this year and us in 2019 but I doubt anything could compare to us in 2010. 19 spots as a result of a shootout.

 

[Dirk316]

2/3 of those guys are bottom pairing defensemen or NHL/NHL tweeners lol.
Tinordi has 153 NHL games in 10 years in the NHL.
Lauzon has 30 points in 209 NHL games in the 8 years he was drafted.
Seeler has 29 points in 225 NHL games and he was drafted 12 years ago lol.
Burroughs was drafted in 2013 and has 95 NHL games.

Did you just sort defensemen by hits per game or something?

We are talking about replacing Mansons toughness not looking for scoring from that type of dman. The while point is the team lacks that toughness

 

[ScarTroy]

We are talking about replacing Mansons toughness not looking for scoring from that type of dman. The while point is the team lacks that toughness

But just looking at the numbers he posted, you’re wanting to replace Mansons toughness for what, 10 games a season? Because that’s all you’d get with those guys

 

[Dirk316]

But just looking at the numbers he posted, you’re wanting to replace Mansons toughness for what, 10 games a season? Because that’s all you’d get with those guys

Having a physical presence vs not having any whatsoever. What's your point? All mentioned play a physical game, will protect their goalies and add size
Let's get more Megna, Harrington's, Whites, Larson etc would that make you happy?

 

[Gliff]

We are talking about replacing Mansons toughness not looking for scoring from that type of dman. The while point is the team lacks that toughness

Getting physical players isn’t hard. Getting ones that can actually play other then that is the hard part.

Manson wasn’t just a 12 minute a night goon. The Ducks need a top 4 defensemen that fills that style, that can also play the rest of the game.

 

[KyleJRM]

I'm not worried about lack of toughness. I'm worried about lack of a shutdown No. 1 defender, the type who can play 28 minutes a night in the playoffs. What we have coming up is mostly puck-moving offensive types. Watching Edmonton lose in the playoffs was a never-ending series of saying "that's on Nurse."

I honestly wouldn't mind if there was one of those in the draft, but there isn't. It's nice that it's an incredibly good top-4 draft, but they're all forwards.

 

[GunnarStahl]

The Florida pick owned by Montreal. Prior to the playoffs that pick was 17th. Now that Florida has made it to the conference finals, the pick will be 29-32. Montreal fans were ecstatic earlier in the season when Florida was struggling and was a lottery team with a shot at Bedard. Too bad for them. The same thing happened to the Ducks in 2019 when Saint Louis went to the finals. The pick started at 22 and ended at 29. Brayden f'ing Tracey was the result.

Yeah I was aware of the rule that the last four picks go to then conference finalists. the saint louis pick still hurts though, ive never been particularily excited by Tracey. I suppose at least none of the guys taken in that range are projecting to be real showstoppers at least, but Tomasino or McMicheal could have been an upgrade. Or maybe the trade up for Krebs would have been a done deal. An interesting but not franchise changing "what could have been".

 

[Ducks DVM]

Just food for thought. Draft year production for 1st overall picks (which Fantilli/Carlson) might be in another year)

‘22 Slafkovsky - 39GP 4G 6 A 10P -13
‘21 Power - 8GP 2G 1A 3P +3
‘20 Lafreniere - 56GP 12G 9A 21P -7
‘19 Hughes - 61GP 7G 14A 21A -26
‘18 Dahlin - 82GP 9G 35A 44P -13
‘17 Hischier - 82 GP 20G 32 A 52P +10
‘16 Matthews - 82GP 40G 29A 62P +2
‘15 McDavid - 42GP 16G 32A 48P -1
‘14 Ekblad - 81GP 12G 27A 39P +12
‘13 McKinnon - 82GP 24G 39A 63P +20
‘12 Yakupov - 48GP 17G 14A 31P -4
‘11 RNH - 62GP 18G 34A 52 P -2
‘10 Hall - 65GP 22G 20a 42P -9

 

[ScarTroy]

Just food for thought. Draft year production for 1st overall picks (which Fantilli/Carlson) might be in another year)

‘22 Slafkovsky - 39GP 4G 6 A 10P -13
‘21 Power - 8GP 2G 1A 3P +3
‘20 Lafreniere - 56GP 12G 9A 21P -7
‘19 Hughes - 61GP 7G 14A 21A -26
‘18 Dahlin - 82GP 9G 35A 44P -13
‘17 Hischier - 82 GP 20G 32 A 52P +10
‘16 Matthews - 82GP 40G 29A 62P +2
‘15 McDavid - 42GP 16G 32A 48P -1
‘14 Ekblad - 81GP 12G 27A 39P +12
‘13 McKinnon - 82GP 24G 39A 63P +20
‘12 Yakupov - 48GP 17G 14A 31P -4
‘11 RNH - 62GP 18G 34A 52 P -2
‘10 Hall - 65GP 22G 20a 42P -9

Yakupov didn’t actually have a horrible rookie season production wise. Shame.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

Just food for thought. Draft year production for 1st overall picks (which Fantilli/Carlson) might be in another year)

‘22 Slafkovsky - 39GP 4G 6 A 10P -13
‘21 Power - 8GP 2G 1A 3P +3
‘20 Lafreniere - 56GP 12G 9A 21P -7
‘19 Hughes - 61GP 7G 14A 21A -26
‘18 Dahlin - 82GP 9G 35A 44P -13
‘17 Hischier - 82 GP 20G 32 A 52P +10
‘16 Matthews - 82GP 40G 29A 62P +2
‘15 McDavid - 42GP 16G 32A 48P -1
‘14 Ekblad - 81GP 12G 27A 39P +12
‘13 McKinnon - 82GP 24G 39A 63P +20
‘12 Yakupov - 48GP 17G 14A 31P -4
‘11 RNH - 62GP 18G 34A 52 P -2
‘10 Hall - 65GP 22G 20a 42P -9

Hischier’s year was much more impressive than I remember it being

 

[ohcomeonref]

Getting physical players isn’t hard. Getting ones that can actually play other then that is the hard part.

Manson wasn’t just a 12 minute a night goon. The Ducks need a top 4 defensemen that fills that style, that can also play the rest of the game.

Here's the thing though: we have guys that can neither play or be physical. Like what in god's name is Leason bringing? I realize we were tanking this past year and filled the roster holes with some waiver wire level guys, but why not fill those holes with tough AHL fodder?

Edit: getting beaten up on the scoreboard AND having liberties taken with our young guys feels bad.

 

[Terry Yake]

Having a physical presence vs not having any whatsoever. What's your point? All mentioned play a physical game, will protect their goalies and add size
Let's get more Megna, Harrington's, Whites, Larson etc would that make you happy?

how about brian gibbons?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Here's the thing though: we have guys that can neither play or be physical. Like what in god's name is Leason bringing? I realize we were tanking this past year and filled the roster holes with some waiver wire level guys, but why not fill those holes with tough AHL fodder?

Edit: getting beaten up on the scoreboard AND having liberties taken with our young guys feels bad.

Verbeek did pass up on scoring forward threat Tolvanen on the waiver wire to keep either Leason or Megna this past season. That also contributed to the tank b/c Tolvanen would have helped us score more goals.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Hischier’s year was much more impressive than I remember it being

The four before him were so good that just being solid seemed like a disappointment. Little would anyone know it would be the last time a first overall forward had even a solid D+1 showing.

 

[Duck Off]

It seems most teams have a couple in their lineup and in their prospect pool

I am a massive fan of having grit and physicality throughout your lineup, but identifying players who will be that type of player is incredibly difficult because physical play is pretty frowned upon in lower levels. My point is though I think PV is a moron for not re-signing Des and allowing our backend to be that soft going into last year, feels harsh to criticize prospect pools for lacking that element. If anything, you could argue him targeting size is more about that than most GMs.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Verbeek did pass up on scoring forward threat Tolvanen on the waiver wire to keep either Leason or Megna this past season. That also contributed to the tank b/c Tolvanen would have helped us score more goals.

True but then Tolvanen costs the Ducks a guarenteed Top3 pick but with Tolvanen maybe they finish 3rd worst and get Bedard lol. Then somehow Chicago still ends up with 1st overall.

 

[Peen]

I see the fan vote is for Fantilli by a long shot but have any reliable ducks ITKs said whether or not this is essentially a sure-fire decision?

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I see the fan vote is for Fantilli by a long shot but have any reliable ducks ITKs said whether or not this is essentially a sure-fire decision?

Yeah I'll let you know when I find some fairy dust too.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

I see the fan vote is for Fantilli by a long shot but have any reliable ducks ITKs said whether or not this is essentially a sure-fire decision?

No and we won’t, probably until draft day. Especially right now, Verbeek’s watching them and the draft meetings haven’t even happened.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I see the fan vote is for Fantilli by a long shot but have any reliable ducks ITKs said whether or not this is essentially a sure-fire decision?

Nope but I'll say this If Smith goes #2 I'm gonna be drunk for a whole week and a week long hangover and probably wake up in Mexico.
6'0 Smith does have an elite shot like Fantilli and alot to like about his offense but he's not a speedster or a big guy. I don't see his hockey sense being anywhere close to Fantilli and Carlsson. Smith isn't gonna be able to learn to grow to 6'2 or 6'3.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Nope but I'll say this If Smith goes #2 I'm gonna be drunk for a whole week and a week long hangover and probably wake up in Mexico.
6'0 Smith does have an elite shot like Fantilli and alot to like about his offense but he's not a speedster or a big guy. I don't see his hockey sense being anywhere close to Fantilli and Carlsson. Smith isn't gonna be able to learn to grow to 6'2 or 6'3.

I really cant see smith even as a realistic option for us

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I really cant see smith even as a realistic option for us

Yeah true. If it did happen though how do you react to it ?