Prospect Info: 2023 NHL Draft (mod warning 1st post)

[Gliff]

Someone will draft Michkov and they will reap the rewards. All they have to do is be patient

Possibly. Actually I would say likely. But once again, drafting him would be taking on a HUGE amount of risk for the potential to have a little bit better player.

The downside of Michkov is literally 0. He may never step foot on NA soil, let alone an NHL rink. There is pretty much no chance Carlsson or Fantilli don't play in the NHL.

It would be different if the alternative was to Michkov was NOT Carlsson or Fantilli. I would be way more likely to take that shot at 4. No chance at 3.

I’ve seen the fruits of dealing with the complex situation that drafting a superstar Russian player return first hand, and it’s more than worth it. It’s an emotionally taxing process, but Michkov is that dude. Kaprizov didn’t come over until he was 23. Michkov will most likely be here when he’s 21. Not to mention, Michkov blows kk97 out of the water at the same age. Michkov, imo, is the best Russian prospect since Ovechkin. I wouldn’t mess around, and if he had a Canadian passport I’d consider taking him at #2.

If he had a Canadian Passport this wouldn't be an issue. He would without a doubt be #2 of the board. But he Russian in pretty much the worst time to be a Russian hockey player since the 80s in terms of their NHL upside.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Getting real excited today about the prospect of getting any one of these guys. Carlsson looks awesome, although admittedly might be biased since i love that style of play. We are so lucky to be able to transition from Getz to Zegs and one of these guys. There are teams like Columbus and Nashville that have never really had a franchise C in 20+ years.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

If team picks Michkov at #4 and he never leaves Russia, the compensation should be #4 pick in a future draft but doing so means they lose NHL rights to Michkov.

 

[Mr Rogers]

If team picks Michkov at #4 and he never leaves Russia, the compensation should be #4 pick in a future draft but doing so means they lose NHL rights to Michkov.

I don’t think that would happen since the team could’ve easily drafted a different kid instead. What might make sense is if he does eventually come over but ends up playing for a team that didn’t draft him, the team that drafted him originally could
be compensated somehow by the team that got him.

kinda like how in the MLB when a team signs a big free agent, they are required to surrender a draft pick to the player’s old team. At least the was the case for years and I believe it still is but could be wrong.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I don’t think that would happen since the team could’ve easily drafted a different kid instead. What might make sense is if he does eventually come over but ends up playing for a team that didn’t draft him, the team that drafted him originally could
be compensated somehow by the team that got him.

kinda like how in the MLB when a team signs a big free agent, they are required to surrender a draft pick to the player’s old team. At least the was the case for years and I believe it still is but could be wrong.

Teams should all pass on him until its past the top5 then it becomes a gamble of Michkov or the safe pick in Sale/Dvorsky/Moore.

So lets say it goes for example:
Bedard
Fantili
Carlson
Smith
Benson

Then you have Arizona who has #6 and #12, just barely missing out on Smith and Benson they might want Michkov at #6 because even if he never arrives in the NHL they are still getting a good player at #12.

 

[Terry Yake]

Teams should all pass on him until its past the top5 then it becomes a gamble of Michkov or the safe pick in Sale/Dvorsky/Moore.

So lets say it goes for example:
Bedard
Fantili
Carlson
Smith
Benson

Then you have Arizona who has #6 and #12, just barely missing out on Smith and Benson they might want Michkov at #6 because even if he never arrives in the NHL they are still getting a good player at #12.

agreed. although i would maybe add cristall to that list too. at a certain point it definitely becomes worth the risk to draft michkov, especially if you're talking about a team like the caps or blues who have had lots of recent success and can afford to take the risk

 

[Son of Gib]

We really think Carlsson is a Getzlaf?

 

[Gliff]

We really think Carlsson is a Getzlaf?

His upside is a 2-way physically dominant playmaking #1 center. He doesn’t have the nasty side of Getzlaf, but he is a pretty good comparison as to what we should hope for from him.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

His upside is a 2-way physically dominant playmaking #1 center. He doesn’t have the nasty side of Getzlaf, but he is a pretty good comparison as to what we should hope for from him.

He's also a fast skater. Which will make Carlsson or Fantili the biggest and fastest Center on the team.

 

[Kalv]

Me watching Fantilli/Carlsson highlights and realising one of them is our "worst case scenario"

 

[ScarTroy]

Me watching Fantilli/Carlsson highlights and realising one of them is our "worst case scenario"

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Right!? The fact that at worst we get a player like them is just such an exciting thing for this franchise. I keep going back and forth, but I think even if we land at #2 I like Carlsson more.

As far as Fantilli, what are the chances he pulls a Schultz? Pretty low since he’s clearly way too good for the NCAA to stay there all 4 years?

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

Possibly. Actually I would say likely. But once again, drafting him would be taking on a HUGE amount of risk for the potential to have a little bit better player.

The downside of Michkov is literally 0. He may never step foot on NA soil, let alone an NHL rink. There is pretty much no chance Carlsson or Fantilli don't play in the NHL.

It would be different if the alternative was to Michkov was NOT Carlsson or Fantilli. I would be way more likely to take that shot at 4. No chance at 3.



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Getting real excited today about the prospect of getting any one of these guys. Carlsson looks awesome, although admittedly might be biased since i love that style of play. We are so lucky to be able to transition from Getz to Zegs and one of these guys. There are teams like Columbus and Nashville that have never really had a franchise C in 20+ years.

Yeah there are teams like that…

 

[Kalv]

Right!? The fact that at worst we get a player like them is just such an exciting thing for this franchise. I keep going back and forth, but I think even if we land at #2 I like Carlsson more.

As far as Fantilli, what are the chances he pulls a Schultz? Pretty low since he’s clearly way too good for the NCAA to stay there all 4 years?

I might be preferring Fantilli's footspeed over Carlsson which is a significant difference. Then again, Carlsson can slow the game down Getzy-style... eh, I know I will be changing my opinion every other day today I prefer Fantilli, NCAA is no joke.

Haha, no way Fantilli stays 4 years in college Don't worry about that.

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

He's also a fast skater. Which will make Carlsson or Fantili the biggest and fastest Center on the team.

I wouldn’t consider Carlsson a fast skater at the NHL level

 

[tomd]

If team picks Michkov at #4 and he never leaves Russia, the compensation should be #4 pick in a future draft but doing so means they lose NHL rights to Michkov.

The compensation structure is already in place. If the team that drafts Michkov doesn't sign him when his rights expire then they receive a 2nd round pick in the same slot. So if Michkov is drafted 4th then the team would receive the 4th pick in the 2nd round in the year after his rights expire. That applies only to 1st round picks. A situation like Michkov's has never happened before with a 1st round pick but I believe that is how it would be handled.

 

[Leonardo87]

His upside is a 2-way physically dominant playmaking #1 center. He doesn’t have the nasty side of Getzlaf, but he is a pretty good comparison as to what we should hope for from him.

Imagine having a young Getzlaf type , on top of McTavish, Zegras, and Terry. Damn. That is our worst case scenario. Very excited right now.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Please leave the geopolitics out of the thread please. Saying there are concerns because he’s in Russia is fine. Saying there are concerns because a KHL owner might throw him a massive contract is fine. Getting detailed into the war and other geopolitics is not, because it’s politics, and that never goes fine. Thank you.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I might be preferring Fantilli's footspeed over Carlsson which is a significant difference. Then again, Carlsson can slow the game down Getzy-style... eh, I know I will be changing my opinion every other day today I prefer Fantilli, NCAA is no joke.

Haha, no way Fantilli stays 4 years in college Don't worry about that.

I think Verbeek will fall in love with Fantilli's aggressive and tenacious identity on the ice. That skating helps him be that aggressive and tenacious.

I'm just not sure if "hero puck" works well in the NHL, but I think Z can help facilitate that mentality with giving him the puck often in an odd-chemistry way. Terry's been playing hero puck for the Ducks, but I wonder if his line could have produced more if he wasn't busy playing hero puck.

For all the high end production Fantilli did during the regular season, his production dropped when facing tougher opponents in the Big-10 tourney and Frozen Four.

OTOH, Carlsson pucked out in his playoffs moment against men in the SHL.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

The compensation structure is already in place. If the team that drafts Michkov doesn't sign him when his rights expire then they receive a 2nd round pick in the same slot. So if Michkov is drafted 4th then the team would receive the 4th pick in the 2nd round in the year after his rights expire. That applies only to 1st round picks. A situation like Michkov's has never happened before with a 1st round pick but I believe that is how it would be handled.

I thought I read somewhere, in regards to another Russian, that if they don’t come over the rights never expire. Is that true or possible?

 

[HanSolo]

I thought I read somewhere, in regards to another Russia, that if they don’t come over the rights never expire. Is that true or possible?

That's my memory of how it works without scouring the bylaws. Think with Gusev between the Lightning and Knights, he couldn't play until he joined the team that had his rights. Drafted in 2012, rights traded to Vegas with a second rounder as incentive to take a warm body in the expansion draft. Didn't decide to come to the NHL until 2019. Couldn't sign a contract with the Devils until Vegas traded them his signing rights. All in all it took 7 years for him to end up in the NHL. And turned out he wasn't as good as the hype so he's back in Russia.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

That's my memory of how it works without scouring the bylaws. Think with Gusev between the Lightning and Knights, he couldn't play until he joined the team that had his rights. Drafted in 2012, rights traded to Vegas with a second rounder as incentive to take a warm body in the expansion draft. Didn't decide to come to the NHL until 2019. Couldn't sign a contract with the Devils until Vegas traded them his signing rights. All in all it took 7 years for him to end up in the NHL. And turned out he wasn't as good as the hype so he's back in Russia.

Yeah, so if Michkov isn’t allowed to come over until he’s 35, his rights holder effectively get nothing for compensation.

 

[Trojans86]

I think Verbeek will fall in love with Fantilli's aggressive and tenacious identity on the ice. That skating helps him be that aggressive and tenacious.

I'm just not sure if "hero puck" works well in the NHL, but I think Z can help facilitate that mentality with giving him the puck often in an odd-chemistry way. Terry's been playing hero puck for the Ducks, but I wonder if his line could have produced more if he wasn't busy playing hero puck.

For all the high end production Fantilli did during the regular season, his production dropped when facing tougher opponents in the Big-10 tourney and Frozen Four.

OTOH, Carlsson pucked out in his playoffs moment against men in the SHL.

I liked Carlson’s game more at the wjc. So smart and great size. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he ends up the better player but I also absolutely love Fantilis game. I actually like both of their style more than Bedard but Bedard is just so damn good. Any of the three is a huge win.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Just wrapped up our second of what is usually three mocks drafts for the season. The Ducks were in the fourth to last position when we started this, but won the lottery. Hence the first overall pick, then selecting fourth in each subsequent round.

1-1- C Connor Bedard - nuff said

2-36 - C Charlie Stramel

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2-55 (from COL) - D Etienne Morin

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2-64 (from BOS) - G Carson Bjarnason

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3-68- D Michael Hagens

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3-93 (from MIN) - C Brad Gardiner

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"Gardiner is a creative and intelligent pivot who has proven to be a versatile, swiss army knife for the 67's this year. He's been everywhere from the first line to the fourth line and he's played in every situation imaginable. I really like how he plays through traffic. His game is predicated by quick touches and quick feet and for that reason he's a tough cover. He protects the puck really well by spinning off checks and keeping his feet moving. While his first step quickness is not impressive, he builds up to a solid top speed which he can use to apply pressure on the attack. I've seen him pretty high on some lists lately, like Craig Button's. I've been impressed, but I'm also still trying to get a read on the high end upside here. "


4-100- LW Nico Myatovich

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5-132- LW Hannes Hellberg

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Haven't seen a comprehensive scouting report, but he went undrafted last year only being eligible by a few days, and then has absolutely torched J20 this year, outproducing many 2022 picks.


6-164 - LW Cole Burbidge

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One of the younger players available for the draft. Strong production for a rookie in the QMJHL on a weaker club.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

I would hope he take a swing on Bradley Nadeau.. second highest prospect scorer in the draft after Bedard and there’s little to no attention on him

 

[tomd]

I would hope he take a swing on Bradley Nadeau.. second highest prospect scorer in the draft after Bedard and there’s little to no attention on him

He's in the 25-40 range on many of the mocks I've seen. Downside is that he is small and plays in a lower league so he's all projection at this point.