Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

[BenchBrawl]

What a monumental betrayal.

A SINGLE SEASON OVER A POINT-PER-GAME THIS CENTURY.

ONE.

Kovalev in 2008. That's it.

ONE.

Proof:

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"But points aren't all that matters in Hockey"

Yeaaaaaah, sure, agreed. But still, I repeat.

ONE.

In 23 f***ing years!

 

[ReimanSum1908]

Do you, legitimately, consider both eichel and March superstar forwards that are 100pts?

March is a player that gets you to a cup but sure as hell isn't a 100 pts player and never will be.

I'm not sold on eichel yet. Dude never played a single filly season and his high is 82 pts in like his second year.

The real meat and potatoes of that team were the massive d core. And timely goaltending that will never be repeated.

I'm actually thinking that the league moves further and further away from these "generational" players as they cost too damn much and hand cuff their clubs.

Eichel is a dominant superstar who manhandled competition throughout the playoffs both offensively and defensively. His talent as a forward far outstrips anything that we've seen on the Habs for the last thirty years.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

Slaf is already a write-off? You mean the kid who just turned 19 not even 3 months ago? If you can judge a kid who just played in the NHL as an 18 year old and know his future outlook, man, why aren't you a scouting director in the NHL already? You would be the greatest in history!

Come on, don't make it sound like hockey GM are geniuses. It's who you know in this business that gets you a job.

 

[Electronic83]

What is funny is when Kent Hughes talked about points on a question last night, that Michkov would produce a lot more and was superior, he replied we got Suzuki, Dach and Caufield that are coming up not even talking about our 1st last year. (I hope its to not put pressure on him). IMO Caufield get injured games get boring we needed another scorer.

Here we wasted a good pick for needs because our forwand pool is oversaturated to them and needed an RD. They dont tell people he was a late birth who was almost eligible last year. Some kids are still 17 and hes going to be 19 in october. Still they believe in him as in Slaf. He will be a good hockey player but low chance to become a Makar, Seider, Hughes. Kent even said he wont run a pp1 probably...

 

[HabbyGuy]

Another desperation pick.

After picking KK and Galchenyuk in two of the worst center crops in history, we take Reinbacher in the worst defensive class I’ve ever seen.

You don’t get bonus points for picking the biggest fish in the smallest pond.

Legit the only times we simply took what the draft board gave us we ended up with Sergachev and Caufield.

This organization has a fetish for trying to be the smartest group in the room.

Best post draft comment, nothing more needs be said.

And to think they loved Reinbacher so much they refused to trade down. Mind boggling.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Best post draft comment, nothing more needs be said.

And to think they loved Reinbacher so much they refused to trade down. Mind boggling.

This is the fair criticism, IMHO. People will counter that they think Arizona would have taken him. So what? You could have traded down to Washington and taken Dvorsky. I have Reinbacher ahead of Dalibor, but only by one spot.

To me this was a big 5, then everyone else type of situation.

 

[HabbyGuy]

What was the geopolitical issue again?

4 Russians selected in the first round.

Yup it was completely over stated.

 

[jaffy27]

If Michkov becomes MICHKOV this is going to hurt and HuGo might not even be here to take their necessary lumps.

They shouldn’t have picked Slafkovsky last year — he and his buddy Mešsr are basically write-offs already, even according to Hughes who never mentions Slaf as a future core player.

All of this could’ve been avoided.

Reinbacher himself is a fine a prospect, but it isn’t about that. We need an elite forward and we want some electric talents. Sigh.

Jesus lol

I bet you're the type who threatens to leave the relationship after arguments lol

Way too emotional, you keep calling shit out as fact yet nothing has really played out!

6 teams passed on Michkov. Unless you interviewed him, (which I doubt) you have nothing to go on except youtube videos and a reputation.

I also wanted Mich, seemed logical to me, but I also knew that the interview would be the scale tipper in either way.

Right now, we just secured the services of a GROWING 6'2, 190lb RHD who has a good chance at topping at 6'3, 220lbs. (saw him in an interview and has a great frame to grow into) He can hit, he can skate, he can transition the puck, heavy shot and was by far the top rated D in this draft.

Hey, he can turn out to be Seider or he can be Murray. We'll trust the development and for the 1st time since Markov, we'll have ourselves a true #1 Defenceman.......I hope!!

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Best post draft comment, nothing more needs be said.

And to think they loved Reinbacher so much they refused to trade down. Mind boggling.

He better become a solid #1 D

 

[HabbyGuy]

He better become a solid #1 D

He'll be solid alright, not as a 1st though.

And we certainly needed an RD. But this was absolutely not the time to pick one.

But I digress. I was clearly wrong and just did not see this coming from Hughes.

 

[Milhouse40]

If there's one thing I give HuGo : They don't give a shit about what Fans thinks. They do their own thing and move forward with their own choices.

And I respect that and admire that as Fans don't know shit half the time.

But they better be right cause Fans won't give a shit about them if they're wrong.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He'll be solid alreight, not as a 1st though. And we certainly needed an TD. But this was absolutely not the time to pick one.

But I digress. I was clearly wrong and just did not see this coming from Hughes.

Not a #1 ain't gonna cut it

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Jesus lol

I bet you're the type who threatens to leave the relationship after arguments lol

Way too emotional, you keep calling shit out as fact yet nothing has really played out!

6 teams passed on Michkov. Unless you interviewed him, (which I doubt) you have nothing to go on except youtube videos and a reputation.

I also wanted Mich, seemed logical to me, but I also knew that the interview would be the scale tipper in either way.

Right now, we just secured the services of a GROWING 6'2, 190lb RHD who has a good chance at topping at 6'3, 220lbs. (saw him in an interview and has a great frame to grow into) He can hit, he can skate, he can transition the puck, heavy shot and was by far the top rated D in this draft.

Hey, he can turn out to be Seider or he can be Murray. We'll trust the development and for the 1st time since Markov, we'll have ourselves a true #1 Defenceman.......I hope!!

Why should we trust anything? What have they done to deserve our trust? Just being new? Their moves are pissing me off, so I have no inclination to trust them, thank you very much.

 

[Belial]

Best post draft comment, nothing more needs be said.

And to think they loved Reinbacher so much they refused to trade down. Mind boggling.

How could they trade down with Arizona salivating over Reinbacher just behind?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

If there's one thing I give HuGo : They don't give a shit about what Fans thinks. They do their own thing and move forward with their own choices.

And I respect that and admire that as Fans don't know shit half the time.

But they better be right cause Fans won't give a shit about them if they're wrong.

God forbid you'd care what the paying customers think.

 

[sandviper]

Woke up hoping I’d be more pleased, but no, not really. Again, don’t hate it but he was #7 on my list. Picking him at 5 doesn’t sound so bad in a bubble but I had Leonard and Michkov ahead of him. I said it last night that I do view all the forwards outside of the first 4 picks as second liners, except Michkov and perhaps Leonard so if Reinbacher tops out as a #3, it a good pick as #3’s are generally more valuable than 2nd line forwards but I was really hoping for Michkov.

Anyhow, I don’t hate the Reinbacher pick but right now I’m not thrilled about it.

Side note, given Arizona’s pick, Reinbacher was never getting out of the top-6. If rumours were true and teams were calling, Reinbacher likely still would had gone 5.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Not a #1 ain't gonna cut it

Top 3. 4 imo. But he theoretically could look great next to Hutson so, if could still work out for us. Still doesn't make it the right call.

How could they trade down with Arizona salivating over Reinbacher just behind?

They couldn't, they clearly identified Reinbacher as their guy. That's the sad reality of it.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Fans, pro commentators, and scouts and GMs judge players and prospects all the time. At 16, at 17, 18, 19, all the way up to when they vote for HHOF entries. It’s a meaningless criticism to pin on me. All we do is judge.

Going forward Hughes is not going to refer to Slafkovksky in the same manner as he will Reinbacher. Make from that what you will but if Slafkovsky was a serious prospect to be a core player he wouldn’t be an afterthought in our strategic planning.

Perhaps. But not all judgements prove to be equally wise or correct. I would suggest that we should at least allow Slafkovsky to leave his teens before we write his career obituary.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

This is the fair criticism, IMHO. People will counter that they think Arizona would have taken him. So what? You could have traded down to Washington and taken Dvorsky. I have Reinbacher ahead of Dalibor, but only by one spot.

To me this was a big 5, then everyone else type of situation.

They didn't because they're losers who wouldn't know asset management if it bit them in the ass.

 

[Belial]

This is the fair criticism, IMHO. People will counter that they think Arizona would have taken him. So what? You could have traded down to Washington and taken Dvorsky. I have Reinbacher ahead of Dalibor, but only by one spot.

To me this was a big 5, then everyone else type of situation.

Well apparently they really think this kid will be a force out there for the next 15 years...

 

[jaffy27]

What was the geopolitical issue again?

4 Russians selected in the first round.

At # 6 AND 7.....

The geopolitical thing was always a thing, just not dire like so many reved it up; to be.

Let's see if Putin imprisons all 4 before they come over

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Perhaps. But not all judgements prove to be equally wise or correct. I would suggest that we should at least allow Slafkovsky to leave his teens before we write is career obituary.

Some of us are just out of patience with this organization's constant stupidity and incompetence.

 

[Belial]

They couldn't, they clearly indentified Reinbacher as their guy. That's the sad reality of it.

We'll see if it's a sad reality or the right pick in a couple of years...don't jump off a bridge yet!

 

[RC51]

Ok so to really get the right idea it's this.
Habs wanted Smith and that was the plan. BUT sharks picked 4th and took the plan away.
lets remember why, at the end of last year the habs won a few game just before the end to drop to 5th, they could have just dove to get the 4th but NO Habs play by the rules and must play to win while 30 other GM's play by what best for their team. So Habs got taken by the sharks. Then what habs pick a dman in a year when it was time to pick a high end forward ( wow) when clearly next year the draft is FULL of good dmen. ( wow) I can just imagine the new pressure Newhook gets because no other forward help is coming. Yikes.
Hughes has opened the door to a possible disaster. What if Newhook does not help much and its too late to help the offense now what a 31st pick and a 37th pick. Yikes.
DR might be good but he will never score 30 goals, habs need more goals, habs need to spend MORE time in the Offense zone and less time in the dzone. Let the other guy worry about keeping the puck out 60% of the time. Is DR a bad pick NO but he is NOT A GOOD PICK a 5.

 

[ReHabs]

Jesus lol

I bet you're the type who threatens to leave the relationship after arguments lol

Way too emotional, you keep calling shit out as fact yet nothing has really played out!

6 teams passed on Michkov. Unless you interviewed him, (which I doubt) you have nothing to go on except youtube videos and a reputation.

I also wanted Mich, seemed logical to me, but I also knew that the interview would be the scale tipper in either way.

Right now, we just secured the services of a GROWING 6'2, 190lb RHD who has a good chance at topping at 6'3, 220lbs. (saw him in an interview and has a great frame to grow into) He can hit, he can skate, he can transition the puck, heavy shot and was by far the top rated D in this draft.

Hey, he can turn out to be Seider or he can be Murray. We'll trust the development and for the 1st time since Markov, we'll have ourselves a true #1 Defenceman.......I hope!!

This isn't a fair response to me. I have been sanguine about Reinbacher and the pick, I haven't threatened to leave the relationship (it ain't so easy to get rid of the curse of being a Habs fan!).

Michkov's profile was 5OA +/- 1 spot. This is a combo of his personality, his external risk profile, his internal risk profile, and his potential/skills. The Habs happen to have a gaping big need for a player like Michkov, this is partially why some of us are disappointed.

Reading over your comment I don't think you meant to respond to me. I haven't poo-poo'd on Reinbacher at all.