Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

[Belial]

Don’t try to reason with me please

We all know you can't be reasonable.

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

We have plenty of D we can convert to the right and I didn't say we can obtain a number one D easily. I said we can obtain a right hand D, though. We can trade one of our left hand D for a right hand one down the line. There is no rush, we are rebuilding. You do know that a generational forward that get 100 points is something even harder to aquire than a right hand D, right? The Habs have not have something like this in 30 years!

As far as what we gave for Newhook, that's cause HuGo were dumb.

Take a deep breath and think these things through first.

You seem to be under the impression that any dummy can trade one for one these days. I assure you that there will be a very large contingency of fans on these very boards that would claim to abandon the team because we will have over paid for x bum.

Look at all the trades just in the last year and tell me that they didn't all suck for at least one party??

As for Michkov, he hasn't played a single NHL game yet. As a matter of fact, none of these kids have and none of them might actually pan out. The draft is a complete crap shoot.

No point in getting up in arms over any of it. Just hope for the best but don't lose sleep over it lol

 

[Sasha Orlov]

We all know you can't be reasonable.

Good one

 

[Twisted Sinister]

The playoffs clearly demonstrated that a good D beats a good forward group.

Look at Vegas, outside Stone, who is the offensive catalyst?? It's their D that did all the dirty work.

A decent goalie, great d and a decent forward group gets you a cup. Not just a super star (or even two, I'm looking at you Oilers).

Build the best D, trade for what's left.

WTF, are Eichel and Marchessault a joke to you? Did you even watch the playoffs?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

He certainly was good, but he didn't do the bulk of the work.

The bottom line is you need a team to win a Stanley cup. Having the best forward in the world won't help you if your team sucks. Will Michkov be good? Ya, probably. We won't know for another 5 years. We won't have to wait that long to see Bach flourish.

I don't see the team finishing bottom at all next year if they stay even remotely healthy.

The most difficult thing to find in this league is gamebreaking talent and goal-scoring. Something we haven't had for 30 years.

Milquetoast 2-way D with limited upside are not super hard to find. Next year's draft is full of defensemen.

 

[ReHabs]

I should add, the discriminatory and unfair rhetoric tossed at Michkov and Russians in general was thoroughly discredited last night.

I won’t name names but the concern trolls really added to the tension here with their idiotic and immature references to geopolitical issues and had no justification or reason to do so.

Grand McCagg is a jagoff who said Michkov won’t be drafted in the first round and later said he won’t be drafted top10. He’s just a dickhead. Don’t be like him.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I am in Austria right now and it’s a very beautiful country, good luck David

 

[ReHabs]

The most difficult thing to find in this league is gamebreaking talent and goal-scoring. Something we haven't had for 30 years.

Milquetoast 2-way D with limited upside are not super hard to find. Next year's draft is full defensemen.

I think Reinbacher convinced the Habs he’s special — maybe it’s his superior analytics and the organization is finally embracing it.

Otherwise I agree that on a meta level, their draft philosophy is wrong.

Slafkovsky is such a bad draft pick, totally ruins everything. From the fact the Habs felt like had to take a dman in 2023 instead of the big swing for Michkov to the fact that he’s so far away from seasoned and ready. Let’s hope he overperforms because he’s pretty much a write-off at this point — nobody expect him to be a game breaker and even Hughes mainly refers to Suzuki, Caufield, and Dach as his core. Pretty damning.

 

[Belial]

I should add, the discriminatory and unfair rhetoric tossed at Michkov and Russians in general was thoroughly discredited last night.

I won’t name names but the concern trolls really added to the tension here with their idiotic and immature references to geopolitical issues and had no justification or reason to do so.

Grand McCagg is a jagoff who said Michkov won’t be drafted in the first round and later said he won’t be drafted top10. He’s just a dickhead. Don’t be like him.

McCagg was right once again though...

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

WTF, are Eichel and Marchessault a joke to you? Did you even watch the playoffs?

Do you, legitimately, consider both eichel and March superstar forwards that are 100pts?

March is a player that gets you to a cup but sure as hell isn't a 100 pts player and never will be.

I'm not sold on eichel yet. Dude never played a single filly season and his high is 82 pts in like his second year.

The real meat and potatoes of that team were the massive d core. And timely goaltending that will never be repeated.

I'm actually thinking that the league moves further and further away from these "generational" players as they cost too damn much and hand cuff their clubs.

 

[ReHabs]

Do you, legitimately, consider both eichel and March superstar forwards that are 100pts?

March is a player that gets you to a cup but sure as hell isn't a 100 pts player and never will be.

I'm not sold on eichel yet. Dude never played a single filly season and his high is 82 pts in like his second year.

The real meat and potatoes of that team were the massive d core. And timely goaltending that will never be repeated.

I'm actually thinking that the league moves further and further away from these "generational" players as they cost too damn much and hand cuff their clubs.

Eichel played on the worst team in the NHL. He’s coming off complicated neck surgery and still looked sharp and good in his first season back. Vegas absolutely had great scoring depth.

The arbitrary rising and lowering of thresholds is not conducive for a discussion. Nobody demanded a generational player at 5OA but it wouldn’t hurt to draft a forward with elite upside once in our lives would it?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Do you, legitimately, consider both eichel and March superstar forwards that are 100pts?

March is a player that gets you to a cup but sure as hell isn't a 100 pts player and never will be.

I'm not sold on eichel yet. Dude never played a single filly season and his high is 82 pts in like his second year.

The real meat and potatoes of that team were the massive d core. And timely goaltending that will never be repeated.

I'm actually thinking that the league moves further and further away from these "generational" players as they cost too damn much and hand cuff their clubs.

Both of them were over PPG in the Playoffs and Eichel was PPG in the regular season this year. I'm all for calm, rational debate, but at least do a little due diligence first.

Yes, Jack Eichel is absolutely a superstar forward.

Florida had Barkov and Tkachuk.

Who are our Eichel, Barkov, and Tkachuk?

 

[Montreal Shadow]

I hear Michkov is basically a Russian Bedard and he was still available with the 5th pick. Is the Russian factor so big that some teams would basically pass over a Bedard because of it?

Montreal fumbled the bag again in my opinion with this pick.

 

[Saxon]

McCagg was right once again though...

If our drafting lines up with Grant’s…….. we have a major problem…

 

[Belial]

If our drafting lines up with Grant’s…….. we have a major problem…

 

[Belial]

Both of them were over PPG in the Playoffs and Eichel was PPG in the regular season this year. I'm all for calm, rational debate, but at least do a little due diligence first.

Yes, Jack Eichel is absolutely a superstar forward.

Florida had Barkov and Tkachuk.

Who are our Eichel, Barkov, and Tkachuk?

Suzy, Cole, and Slaf mate! You have to belieffff

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Suzy, Cole, and Slaf mate! You have to belieffff

Sorry, man. My belief has officially expired.

 

[ReHabs]

If Michkov becomes MICHKOV this is going to hurt and HuGo might not even be here to take their necessary lumps.

They shouldn’t have picked Slafkovsky last year — he and his buddy Mešsr are basically write-offs already, even according to Hughes who never mentions Slaf as a future core player.

All of this could’ve been avoided.

Reinbacher himself is a fine a prospect, but it isn’t about that. We need an elite forward and we want some electric talents. Sigh.

 

[Belial]

If Michkov becomes MICHKOV this is going to hurt and HuGo might not even be here to take their necessary lumps.

They shouldn’t have picked Slafkovsky last year — who is basically a write off already, even according to Hughes who never mentions him as a future core player.

All of this could’ve been avoided.

Reinbacher himself is a fine a prospect, but it isn’t about that. We need an elite forward and we want some electric talents. Sigh.

What's Michkov becoming Michkov in your mind?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Please don’t let this be another David Fisher

Forget David Fischer. This pick has to be better than Komisarek.

 

[pepperMonkey]

They shouldn’t have picked Slafkovsky last year — he and his buddy Mešsr are basically write-offs already, even according to Hughes who never mentions Slaf as a future core player.

Slaf is already a write-off? You mean the kid who just turned 19 not even 3 months ago? If you can judge a kid who just played in the NHL as an 18 year old and know his future outlook, man, why aren't you a scouting director in the NHL already? You would be the greatest in history!

 

[Belial]

Forget David Fischer. This pick has to be better than Komisarek.

Nice to see you're following.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

If Michkov becomes MICHKOV this is going to hurt and HuGo might not even be here to take their necessary lumps.

They shouldn’t have picked Slafkovsky last year — he and his buddy Mešsr are basically write-offs already, even according to Hughes who never mentions Slaf as a future core player.

All of this could’ve been avoided.

Reinbacher himself is a fine a prospect, but it isn’t about that. We need an elite forward and we want some electric talents. Sigh.

I suspect this post won’t age very well. Writing off a 19 year old? Slaf has already played more NHL games than some of the other first rounders of his draft class will ever play in the NHL.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'm fine with Slaf still. If I had to re-do the draft, I would probably still pick him at 1st, or Jiricek (that way they could take f***ing Michkov this year).

Slaf will be very useful in his 20s when he's stronger than virtually everybody in the league. Which by this point we all know he'll play for another team, when we trade him for some crap return just before he starts to enter his prime.

 

[ReHabs]

Slaf is already a write-off? You mean the kid who just turned 19 not even 3 months ago? If you can judge a kid who just played in the NHL as an 18 year old and know his future outlook, man, why aren't you a scouting director in the NHL already? You would be the greatest in history!

I suspect this post won’t age very well. Writing off a 19 year old? Slaf has already played more NHL games than some of the other first rounders of his draft class will ever play in the NHL.

Fans, pro commentators, and scouts and GMs judge players and prospects all the time. At 16, at 17, 18, 19, all the way up to when they vote for HHOF entries. It’s a meaningless criticism to pin on me. All we do is judge.

Going forward Hughes is not going to refer to Slafkovksky in the same manner as he will Reinbacher. Make from that what you will but if Slafkovsky was a serious prospect to be a core player he wouldn’t be an afterthought in our strategic planning.