Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

[RationalExpectations]

f*** off with these picks for need. f***ing go BPA.

Well there is progress : we wanted someone big last year now we wanted someone we need…. Maybe next year they ll take BPA. Just kidding I think Reinbacher will surprise a lot of people, he was really good in Switzerland.

 

[ProspectsFanatic]

Pretty sure this thread would be similar if we drafted Seider with Detroit's pick a few years ago and people would be eating crow right now. And like Seider, I think Reinbacher has more offensive upside than people give him credit for. His numbers are excellent for a defenseman his age, especially if you factored in that he played on a team with weak offense (the team was in the 2nd division the year prior). On top of the fact that his +/- differential was excellent as well. Had he played in the Q, he would easily be a PPG player and people would be much more excited about his two-way upside. Over 95% of defenseman in the Q won't ever be able to do in their prime what Reinbacher was able to do as a first year draft eligible. For his age, he compares very favorably to any young defenseman that played in NLA. Moser's development curve was much slower and he already reached 30 points in the NHL at 22 years old. In short, there is a lot more upside than people give him credit for imo because it is difficult to shine (especially offensively) at 18 years old as a defenseman in NLA or on Austria's national/junior teams.
Hughes lowers expectations because, even though that isn't what fans like to hear, this is what is best to protect prospects from the pressure.

 

[Mrb1p]

IMO, we got the 6th best player in the draft with the 5th best pick.

But couldve had the 1st or 2nd best... lol.

f***ing hell.

 

[Mrb1p]

I hate to say it but...

Timmins > these clown scouts we have at the moment.

Timmins was 100% a better scout than any of these f***ers.

Incredible. f***ing incredible.

Matvei f***ing Michkov. The crown jewel

 

[Tanknation]

Reimbacher is awful at 5. What a shit organization. At best we just picked a 3-4 D at number 5. Pellika is going to be 10x better even.

 

[Mrb1p]

Guys its fine Reinbacher just got 56 points! Hes plus 12! Michkovs 137 points dont matter!

Habs fans in 2028

 

[BenchBrawl]

Guys its fine Reinbacher just got 56 points! Hes plus 12! Michkovs 137 points dont matter!

Habs fans in 2028

Stop it man, please, I can't take anymore of that grim realism for the night. I'm dead.

 

[sheed36]

Wasn't Reinbacher the player who Brian Wilde was hinting about back in I think March sometime when he said on TSN690 that he had some inside info on the player the Habs really liked for this draft because the Habs loved size and that Hab fans weren't gonna like it?

He certainly caught a lot of crap about it on social media and also here for saying it at the time and if it was indeed Reinbacher he was hinting about then it seems this "inside" info he had was exactly right and it seems he wasn't wrong when he said many Hab fans wouldn't like the pick.

I gotta try and find that TSN690 interview again where he said this. Although I believe it was a bit after the fact when he said that the player was Reinbacher he was talking about but I'm not really sure now.


Edit: Well that was quick. I found the audio already from March 6th. The what I think is the Reinbacher bit starts at about 11:50 into the interview.

Wilde: You're not going to like who the Habs like

Brian Wilde has some insight as to who the Habs like in the upcoming draft this summer and you may not like what you hear

www.tsn.ca

Seems Wilde's "inside" info was spot on here, if it was indeed Reinbacher he was hinting about back in early March, and I believe it came out later that it was him he was hinting about.

 

[Mrb1p]

Stop it man, please, I can't take anymore of that grim realism for the night. I'm dead.

Its insane because i really do think Reinbachers gonna be a 1D and im still mad.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Its insane because i really do think Reinbachers gonna be a 1D and im still mad.

Yeah, that's the craziest thing for me too. It ain't about Reinbacher.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I am starting seeing a trend with Hughes. Now two years in a row that he makes a trade for immediate help (Newhook, Dach) to fill up the roster and a first pick to get a potential unicorn. I am not a fan of Reinbacher but I am assuming KH/Scouts must believe he is the next superstar defenseman to select him that high, same with Slafkovsky, KH/Scouts believed he is the next great powerforward. I should have seen it coming... clearly the scouting team do not like gambling on a player. My only question mark is Mesar... what did they see in him other than being a friend of Slafkovsky?

My belief is that next year he will do something similar. Trade pick for immediate help and try getting a safe player with the first round pick.

 

[ReHabs]

1. The Habs organization has to feel like they’re the cleverest little devils in the room, no matter what room they find themselves. It’s borderline adorable. Historically forward heavy draft, they take the dman. Massive gaping holes in the top6, with zero elite producers up front, they take the dman who is known as “steady”.

2. They’ve officially skipped on Michkov, so let’s see how that works out in the years to come. But there’s no need to be hysterical just yet. Michkov, in particular and as we know, might not come over for some time. Three years is a long time.

3. Obviously it has to be stated and underlined that they really rated Reinbacher and would’ve sold and gone down to pick him if it wasn’t clear Arizona would’ve taken Reinbacher — I think it is clear Arizona would’ve taken him. Meaning they didn’t want to leave that to risk and take whoever’s left of Reinbacher/Leonard/Michkov/X-player.

4. Slafkovsky, Mešar, Reinbacher, and Newhook (+ Beck and Hutson) isn’t a good two year tanking haul. Not on paper, anyway. Sorry if this offends.

5. I’m genuinely curious how the Habs will get the long-awaited Messiah forward. Every draft that goes by has us find a way to not get that player, something’s gotta give.

6. Reinbacher is a much better prospect than Slafkovksy and there is little reason to doubt him or his profile. High floor player.

7. An abundance of capable defencemen isn’t a bad thing and is actually more important and effective than we let on. I feel like defencemen values go up easier too.

8. For a poverty franchise like ours, where we never ever have enough assets to pay the price to get premium players, we will finally have an abundance of quality player-assets to wheel and deal.

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

The playoffs clearly demonstrated that a good D beats a good forward group.

Look at Vegas, outside Stone, who is the offensive catalyst?? It's their D that did all the dirty work.

A decent goalie, great d and a decent forward group gets you a cup. Not just a super star (or even two, I'm looking at you Oilers).

Build the best D, trade for what's left.

 

[Belial]

1. The Habs organization has to feel like they’re the cleverest little devils in the room, no matter what room they find themselves. It’s borderline adorable. Historically forward heavy draft, they take the dman. Massive gaping holes in the top6, with zero elite producers up front, they take the dman who is known as “steady”.

2. They’ve officially skipped on Michkov, so let’s see how that works out in the years to come. But there’s no need to be hysterical just yet. Michkov, in particular and as we know, might not come over for some time. Three years is a long time.

3. Obviously it has to be stated and underlined that they really rated Reinbacher and would’ve sold and gone down to pick him if it wasn’t clear Arizona would’ve taken Reinbacher — I think it is clear Arizona would’ve taken him. Meaning they didn’t want to leave that to risk and take whoever’s left of Reinbacher/Leonard/Michkov/X-player.

4. Slafkovsky, Mešar, Reinbacher, and Newhook (+ Beck and Hutson) isn’t a good two year tanking haul. Not on paper, anyway. Sorry if this offends.

5. I’m genuinely curious how the Habs will get the long-awaited Messiah forward. Every draft that goes by has us find a way to not get that player, something’s gotta give.

They'll build a strong 4 lines team without your desired star making 12M$ a year.

Clearly, that's the plan.

Teamwork>Star power.

 

[ReHabs]

The playoffs clearly demonstrated that a good D beats a good forward group.

Look at Vegas, outside Stone, who is the offensive catalyst?? It's their D that did all the dirty work.

A decent goalie, great d and a decent forward group gets you a cup. Not just a super star (or even two, I'm looking at you Oilers).

Build the best D, trade for what's left.

Marchessault, Karlsson, and JACK EICHEL are just nobodies huh. Decent forward group? Huh

 

[Mrb1p]

The playoffs clearly demonstrated that a good D beats a good forward group.

Look at Vegas, outside Stone, who is the offensive catalyst?? It's their D that did all the dirty work.

A decent goalie, great d and a decent forward group gets you a cup. Not just a super star (or even two, I'm looking at you Oilers).

Build the best D, trade for what's left.

You missed Eichel?

 

[NotProkofievian]

1. The Habs organization has to feel like they’re the cleverest little devils in the room, no matter what room they find themselves. It’s borderline adorable. Historically forward heavy draft, they take the dman. Massive gaping holes in the top6, with zero elite producers up front, they take the dman who is known as “steady”.

2. They’ve officially skipped on Michkov, so let’s see how that works out in the years to come. But there’s no need to be hysterical just yet. Michkov, in particular and as we know, might not come over for some time. Three years is a long time.

3. Obviously it has to be stated and underlined that they really rated Reinbacher and would’ve sold and gone down to pick him if it wasn’t clear Arizona would’ve taken Reinbacher — I think it is clear Arizona would’ve taken him. Meaning they didn’t want to leave that to risk and take whoever’s left of Reinbacher/Leonard/Michkov/X-player.

4. Slafkovsky, Mešar, Reinbacher, and Newhook (+ Beck and Hutson) isn’t a good two year tanking haul. Not on paper, anyway. Sorry if this offends.

5. I’m genuinely curious how the Habs will get the long-awaited Messiah forward. Every draft that goes by has us find a way to not get that player, something’s gotta give.

6. Reinbacher is a much better prospect than Slafkovksy and there is little reason to doubt him or his profile. High floor player.

7. An abundance of capable defencemen isn’t a bad thing and is actually more important and effective than we let on. I feel like defencemen values go up easier too.

8. For a poverty franchise like ours, where we never ever have enough assets to pay the price to get premium players, we will finally have an abundance of quality player-assets to wheel and deal.

Messiah forwards tend to have warts and that scares people off. Nobody wants to take the swing, desperately trying to avoid drafting a bust, all the while drafting piles of busts anyhow.

 

[Kimota]

And even if we go by needs, we have a gazillion D prospects. This "oh no we don't have much right-hand Ds". WTF, we can convert some or trade for some. If we go by needs it's freaking much more important that we got highly skills forwards. If not Michkov, pick Leonard. Gritty guy that can play on our first two lines.

If we choose to believe that these guys don't have the brains of peanuts then all I can think of is that we didn't pick Michkov cause of Molson. Cause of political reasons.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Weird that people keep saying HuGo don’t want to “gamble on a player” and then they take a non top-5 player lmfao

What is wrong with this organization? Are other franchises paying off our execs to do dumb shit?

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

You missed Eichel?

He certainly was good, but he didn't do the bulk of the work.

The bottom line is you need a team to win a Stanley cup. Having the best forward in the world won't help you if your team sucks. Will Michkov be good? Ya, probably. We won't know for another 5 years. We won't have to wait that long to see Bach flourish.

I don't see the team finishing bottom at all next year if they stay even remotely healthy.

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

And even if we go by needs, we have a gazillion D prospects. This "oh no we don't have much right-hand Ds". WTF, we can convert some or trade for some. If we go by needs it's freaking much more important that we got highly skills forwards. If not Michkov, pick Leonard. Gritty guy that can play on our first two lines.

If we choose to believe that these guys don't have the brains of peanuts then all I can think of is that we didn't pick Michkov cause of Molson. Cause of political reasons.

In a way, this argument seems flimsy. Have you not seen what it takes to acquire players these days?? Seems to me that a lot of you want your cake and eat it too. Look what it took to get new hook. Now try and imagine what it will take to get a no 1 rhd.

Take a deep breath and think these things through first.

 

[ReHabs]

Weird that people keep saying HuGo don’t want to “gamble on a player” and then they take a non top-5 player lmfao

What is wrong with this organization? Are other franchises paying off our execs to do dumb shit?

They didn’t go off the board, let’s be fair.

 

[BenchBrawl]

 

[Kimota]

In a way, this argument seems flimsy. Have you not seen what it takes to acquire players these days?? Seems to me that a lot of you want you came y and eat it too. Look what it took to get new hook. Now try and imagine what it will take to get a no 1 rhd.

Take a deep breath and think these things through first.

We have plenty of D we can convert to the right and I didn't say we can obtain a number one D easily. I said we can obtain a right hand D, though. We can trade one of our left hand D for a right hand one down the line. There is no rush, we are rebuilding. You do know that a generational forward that get 100 points is something even harder to aquire than a right hand D, right? The Habs have not have something like this in 30 years!

As far as what we gave for Newhook, that's cause HuGo were dumb.

Take a deep breath and think these things through first.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

They didn’t go off the board, let’s be fair.

Don’t try to reason with me please