Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

The Great Weal

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Reinbacher is better than people give him credit for although I do prefer Jiricek by a good bit. I'm fine with going by need considering Leonard/Dvorsky/Reinbacher are in the same tier. What I don't like is Hughes basically saying he is content with the talent up front. Not to mention that you had many teams trying to get our pick (7+22, Askarov+15+24, and more), and I have a very hard time believing it's for Reinbacher, it was more likely for Michkov who is a talent that is rarely available at 5. While I can't say for sure, I'm going to guess Arizona wanted Michkov too but he told them he won't play for them (who can blame him). I would have felt a bit better if Michkov fell outside the top 10, but seems like a lot of teams were hoping they could be in our shoes to take him.
 

Gainesvillain

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f*** Bonk, we could have landed Leonard and Perreault at 7 and 22
Sadly, Bonk might turn out to be every bit as good as Reinbacher. (100% with you on Leonard at 7 though).



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So all that BPA crap from Hughes was a lie. We went for positional need. Just like Bergevin did with Kotkaniemi.

Bad year for D in 2023...bad year for C in 2018. But we keep having management who try to be the smartest guys in the room.
 

TT1

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I always felt like this would be the pick (ideally I would have liked trading down to #7 to add a few assets from Philly, sadly you can't always get what you want because it seems like Arizona was targeting Reinbacher as well) because I think Hughes/Gorton have their own unique vision on how the team should be built.. which basically comes down to great cap management. It could end up being wrong but they don't wanna overpay for forwards, they wanna have a balanced forward and d-core (unlike Toronto for example).

If Reinbacher didn't exist, would they have picked Simachev? Doubt it. Would they have picked Leonard or Dvorsky? Most likely. This type of philosophy might make you miss a few potential homerun players like Michkov (who still have a few question marks, if not they'd be no brainer picks) but you're building a team more so than trying to hit a homerun and then paying said player big $$$ (so there's player risk + cap management risk).

Right now MTL has Dach/Suzuki/Caufield/Slafkovsky, if these 4 players end up becoming who we think they are they'll eat up a lot of cap space but they won't be paid an exorbitant amount of $. We still have Newhook/Beck/Roy/Farrell/Kidney/Mesar (longshot maybe Tuch + Kapenen too) fighting for the remaining top 6 slots (as well as other future prospects/trades/UFA signings etc.). And then we have Guhle/Xhekaj/Mailloux/Hutson/Reinbacher/Harris/Engstrom/Kovacevic/Matheson (a few of them might get moved to upgrade the d-core) on D, that's an insanely talented young core of forwards and dmen already.

Once that core is ready to go all that's left is to figure who the complementary pieces are + having a legit goalie, basically their vision is to build an extremely strong core and spread the money out. Will it end up working? Only time will tell, personally i like the pick even tho we couldn't "maximize" our value for #5 with Michkov on the board, I think in the long run we'll still end up being a stronger team.
 
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BenchBrawl

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Tanking for Renbacher.

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LOL! I legit laughed hard.
 
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HuGo Burner Acc

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Reinbacher is better than people give him credit for although I do prefer Jiricek by a good bit. I'm fine with going by need considering Leonard/Dvorsky/Reinbacher are in the same tier. What I don't like is Hughes basically saying he is content with the talent up front. Not to mention that you had many teams trying to get our pick (7+22, Askarov+15+24, and more), and I have a very hard time believing it's for Reinbacher, it was more likely for Michkov who is a talent that is rarely available at 5. While I can't say for sure, I'm going to guess Arizona wanted Michkov too but he told them he won't play for them (who can blame him). I would have felt a bit better if Michkov fell outside the top 10, but seems like a lot of teams were hoping they could be in our shoes to take him.
Yeah no PLD or forward at 5 makes Habs future top 6 still relatively weak. Now they pretty much need to overpay for a ufa in the next few years and hope one of their prospects hits as a 2nd liner
 

JT3

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Blindly LoL - hall of famers havnt won cup on Good teams - only 1 team wins -
It's just the odds -
Okay? Great? I don't understand what your point is. The teams with strong defense and some scoring to boot win cups. Not teams stacked around soft offensive stars. You need a mix. And there isn't even any guarantee that Michkov hits the ceiling that everybody talks about anyways.

Obviously HuGo thought Reinbacher was the better choice to help us win cups. You can disagree with that but none of us are going to know whether it was the right call for at least another 5-10 years. So just wait and see.
 
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Vachon23

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Reinbacher is better than people give him credit for although I do prefer Jiricek by a good bit. I'm fine with going by need considering Leonard/Dvorsky/Reinbacher are in the same tier. What I don't like is Hughes basically saying he is content with the talent up front. Not to mention that you had many teams trying to get our pick (7+22, Askarov+15+24, and more), and I have a very hard time believing it's for Reinbacher, it was more likely for Michkov who is a talent that is rarely available at 5. While I can't say for sure, I'm going to guess Arizona wanted Michkov too but he told them he won't play for them (who can blame him). I would have felt a bit better if Michkov fell outside the top 10, but seems like a lot of teams were hoping they could be in our shoes to take him.
It was report (don’t remember who) that a lot of teams loved Reinbacher and some wanted to trade up for him since they where a big gap after him for Dmen
 

WatchfulElm

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Excluding veterans Savard, Edmundson and Wideman, our current depth chart at D is :

1- Matheson
2- Guhle
3- Harris
4- Xhekaj
5- Barron
6- Kovacevic
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7- Hutson
8- Mailloux
9- Reinbacher
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10- Trudeau
11- Engstrom
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12- Norlinder
13- Struble
14- Tourigny
15- Beaudin

The first 6 are already NHLers. The next 3 are sure bets to become NHLers. The following 2 have a pretty good shot to make it. The last 4 still have an outside chance to be on the bubble.

Obviously, we cannot put that many players in uniform. Logically, within 3 years, we could have the following line-up :

Hutson - Guhle
Matheson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Harris - Barron
Trudeau - Engstrom
Norlinder - Struble
Kovacevic (possibly a UFA)

Conclusion : We will probably have to trade one of our top young D to get help up front.

Also, I don't remember the Habs having so much depth among the D prospects!!
 

BeliveauFan4ever

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Honestly i think our prospect pool at forwards is kind of on the weak side. And i'm not sure we will suck enough to address that next year specially if Montembeault keep playing like this year and they use him more. Allen is the key to finish low in the standings and he might play less next season.
You likely think the forward pool is weak, bc it is.

Even shutting out the world of 31 other teams, viewed in isolation, it is.

Reinbacher, for me, was 7th or even 8th OA.

Michkov or Leonard…

Wasn’t on any Leonard wagon, but a very compelling case was made fir him by several folks here and I bought in. A case was made for Leonard that was stronger than any I could build for Reinbacher at P-5.

These drafts almost never go as I hope, and there’s a cumulative weight to the disappointment that just gets f’ing heavier.

IMO, right player, wrong slot, tad too early.
 

Jack Skellington

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Its not, if the players reach their potential.
The D-corps look awesome.
The forward group will be fine if Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, and Slaf become 70+ points players.
Like 4 guys are over 6 feet on forward. It's not a particularly fast group, it's certainly not a particularly skilled group. If those 4 players are what you're banking on to go up against what some of these teams are rolling with you are in big big trouble.
 

Vachon23

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Excluding veterans Savard, Edmundson and Wideman, our current depth chart at D is :

1- Matheson
2- Guhle
3- Harris
4- Xhekaj
5- Barron
6- Kovacevic
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7- Hutson
8- Mailloux
9- Reinbacher
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10- Trudeau
11- Engstrom
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12- Norlinder
13- Struble
14- Tourigny
15- Beaudin

The first 6 are already NHLers. The next 3 are sure bets to become NHLers. The following 2 have a pretty good shot to make it. The last 4 still have an outside chance to be on the bubble.

Obviously, we cannot put that many players in uniform. Logically, within 3 years, we could have the following line-up :

Hutson - Guhle
Matheson - Reinbacher
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Harris - Barron
Trudeau - Engstrom
Norlinder - Struble
Kovacevic (possibly a UFA)

Conclusion : We will probably have to trade one of our top young D to get help up front.

Also, I don't remember the Habs having so much depth among the D prospects!!
I wouldn’t call Mailloux and Huston sure bet to be NHLer

And on the trade market, NHL Dmen always have good value
 

Wats

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Mar 8, 2006
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Another desperation pick.

After picking KK and Galchenyuk in two of the worst center crops in history, we take Reinbacher in the worst defensive class I’ve ever seen.

You don’t get bonus points for picking the biggest fish in the smallest pond.

Legit the only times we simply took what the draft board gave us we ended up with Sergachev and Caufield.

This organization has a fetish for trying to be the smartest group in the room.
Well said, this really does feel like Kotkaniemi/Galchenyuk fill the void move.
 

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