Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

[HabbyGuy]

We'll see if it's a sad reality or the right pick in a couple of years...don't jump off a bridge yet!

LOL not sure where you get the sense I won't live, just extremely disappointed with the logic by our management.

I would absolutely love for Reinbacher to become a stud RD, they're very hard to acquire. I'm willing to see how this plays out.

Go Habs!

 

[Belial]

LOL not sure where you get the sense I won't live, just extremeky disapoointed with the logic by our management.

I would absolutely love for Reinbacher to become a stud RD, they're very hard to acquire. I'm willin to see how this plays out.

Go Habs!

As long as you don't change your avatar to a Philly logo I love ya

 

[HabbyGuy]

As long as you don't change your avatar to a Philly logo I love ya

Habs for life. I would rather jump of said bridge than change my allegiance.

 

[Milhouse40]

God forbid you'd care what the paying customers think.

Yeah, but Fans thinks they know their shit.....but they don't and you can't please a million fans all with their own opinion and beliefs.

I hated the Dach trade.......I was wrong.
I was laughing at Yzerman when he picked up Seider
I was ecstatic when they picked Galchenyuk
Last year I thought Beck was a terrible pick (But I wanted Hutson there so.....)

Let's see how those move goes.......one thing I learn over the year, I'm not smarter than anyone.

 

[Belial]

At # 6 AND 7.....

The geopolitical thing was always a thing, just not dire like so many reved it up; to be.

Let's see if Putin imprisons all 4 before they come over

They can always call Daddy Lukashenko and get a deal done apparently!

 

[BenchBrawl]

Yeah, but Fans thinks they know their shit.....but they don't and you can't please a million fans all with their own opinion and beliefs.

I hated the Dach trade.......I was wrong.
I was laughing at Yzerman when he picked up Seider
I was ecstatic when they picked Galchenyuk
Last year I thought Beck was a terrible pick (But I wanted Hutson there so.....)

Let's see how those move goes.......one thing I learn over the year, I'm not smarter than anyone.

Yeah, meanwhile people in charge have an amazing track record with this team.

Real pros.

My astrologer has a better track record than these clowns.

 

[HabbyGuy]

The best moment of the draft was Carey screwing up the announcement!

Even Carey the habs fan didn't want to say it.

 

[jaffy27]

Why should we trust anything? What have they done to deserve our trust? Just being new? Their moves are pissing me off, so I have no inclination to trust them, thank you very much.

Dach pissed you off?

Firing Ducharme pissed you off?

Drafting HUtson, Beck, Engstrom pissed you off?

Acquiring multiple 1st round picks in 3 of 4 drafts pisses you off?

Getting rid of the Weber contract without giving up assets pisses you off?

Drafting Slaf actually pisses you off?? He's the only one in his draft class to actually play in NHL games. There is zero guarantee that any other player from that draft class will outperform Slaf, it's all speculation based on admiration for certain prospects.

Does the Monahan deal really piss you off??

Getting Caufield signed bellow what most here thought he'd get pisses you off??

Mistakes were made I'm sure, I'd say I'm disappointed that we didn't' draft Michkov. But before I through Hughes in the wood chipper, I need to see Reinbacher perform.

I think what you need is a big hug this morning

 

[ReHabs]

If there's one thing I give HuGo : They don't give a shit about what Fans thinks. They do their own thing and move forward with their own choices.

And I respect that and admire that as Fans don't know shit half the time.

But they better be right cause Fans won't give a shit about them if they're wrong.

Bergevin didn't give a rat's ass about the fans either. He put out a boring team and didn't even spend to the cap when he made his win-now moves and committed to Price and Weber. It did not work out well.

Absent good results, we should have good performances. Right now we have neither.

Why should we trust anything? What have they done to deserve our trust? Just being new? Their moves are pissing me off, so I have no inclination to trust them, thank you very much.

And it's not like the Habs' record under Hughes has been good. Let's be fair and admit they're rebuilding but there is no reason to trust their draft judgement so far -- it's early but they should earn trust.

Perhaps. But not all judgements prove to be equally wise or correct. I would suggest that we should at least allow Slafkovsky to leave his teens before we write is career obituary.

I don't think Slaf's career is over but I sure as hell don't expect anything impactful from him. From the moment he was drafted until now the general aggregate prognosis for his career has trended down. The tenor of the hype around him is about "deluxe 2nd line winger" from what I can gather. Hughes didn't mention him when he referred to the future core forwards. Tells me a lot.

If they hadn't squandered the 1OA and instead picked Nemec or Jiricek, they would've been able to swing for the home run pick.

Imagine Michkov becomes what he's hyped to be? How much it'd burn us for the next 10+ years... christ.

 

[Tyson]

Habs have to improve their amateur and pro scout departments. They just don't impress me.

 

[jaffy27]

Yeah, meanwhile people in charge have an amazing track record with this team.

Real pros.

My astrologer has a better track record than these clowns.

Sure they do lol

Armchair GMing is like the easiest job in the world, we have about 500 qualified candidates on this board alone lol

 

[SOLR]

Edmunson trade before/during day 2 for a 2nd rounder?

 

[Heffyhoof]

Another desperation pick.

After picking KK and Galchenyuk in two of the worst center crops in history, we take Reinbacher in the worst defensive class I’ve ever seen.

You don’t get bonus points for picking the biggest fish in the smallest pond.

Legit the only times we simply took what the draft board gave us we ended up with Sergachev and Caufield.

This organization has a fetish for trying to be the smartest group in the room.

Haha, my immediate reaction to the pick was that if I knew how to photoshop I wanted to make a Hughes profile pic with a dunce cap that said "smartest person in the room".

 

[Belial]

Even Carey the habs fan didn't want to say it.

Carey probably didn't even want to be there lol, all those pikes and bass were missed...

 

[Milhouse40]

Yeah, meanwhile people in charge have an amazing track record with this team.

Real pros.

My astrologer has a better track record than these clowns.

No one hits for 100% and a draft can't be evaluate after a year either, just like last year, we'll have to wait as I didn't wanted Slafkovsky, but Beck, Hutson, Engstrom.....I can't say it's entirely terrible either.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Well apparently they really think this kid will be a force out there for the next 15 years...

In terms of their upside estimate, I think they're on the money.

What it makes me think is that they're basing this on their ''certainty'' that Reinbacher will be great or not, which is something that I don't really like. There's two things: how good you think a player can be, and the likelihood that they will be that good. I think scouts have a pretty good read on the former, whereas the latter is more random.

As an example, I think Reinbacher can be anything between Ekholm and Josi. I can't tell you which it's going to be right now, though.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Woke up hoping I’d be more pleased, but no, not really. Again, don’t hate it but he was #7 on my list. Picking him at 5 doesn’t sound so bad in a bubble but I had Leonard and Michkov ahead of him. I said it last night that I do view all the forwards outside of the first 4 picks as second liners, except Michkov and perhaps Leonard so if Reinbacher tops out as a #3, it a good pick as #3’s are generally more valuable than 2nd line forwards but I was really hoping for Michkov.

Anyhow, I don’t hate the Reinbacher pick but right now I’m not thrilled about it.

Side note, given Arizona’s pick, Reinbacher was never getting out of the top-6. If rumours were true and teams were calling, Reinbacher likely still would had gone 5.

At 5 OA, Montreal was somewhat in the 'no man's land' of this draft. While I would have taken Leonard because of his dynamic upside, Reinbacher was a safe pick in all the circumstances: a player who projects to have a long and productive NHL career. He may not have the hype and sizzle that other potential draftees had, but he's the type of player that you can build a winning team around. When you look at our other young defencemen: Guhle, Mailloux, Hutson, Barron; Harris; Xhekaj (who will be mentored and led by a still young Matheson) Reinbacher adds another building block to an improving defensive corps. As for Michkov, despite the angst of many here, I fall into the camp that sees a player who's game will not translate well to the speed and physicality he will face in the NHL. But, as always, time will tell.

 

[BenchBrawl]

No one hits for 100% and a draft can't be evaluate after a year either, just like last year, we'll have to wait as I didn't wanted Slafkovsky, but Beck, Hutson, Engstrom.....I can't say it's entirely terrible either.

We haven't been in a legit window of contention since the late-1980s.

Only luckboxed cinderella runs.

Enough is enough.

The fans may just know better after all.

 

[Tyson]

Now it all makes sense, these are the same scouts who huddled for 48 hours and came up with a gem of a #1 overall pick last year. SMFH

Way to early to write Slaf's hockey obituary don't you think? He just turned 19.

 

[jaffy27]

And it's not like the Habs' record under Hughes has been good. Let's be fair and admit they're rebuilding but there is no reason to trust their draft judgement so far -- it's early but they should earn trust.

If it's too early to trust then it is also to early to earn our ire.

It is WAAAAAAY too soon to declare defeats or victories.

 

[BLONG7]

Dach pissed you off?

Firing Ducharme pissed you off?

Drafting HUtson, Beck, Engstrom pissed you off?

Acquiring multiple 1st round picks in 3 of 4 drafts pisses you off?

Getting rid of the Weber contract without giving up assets pisses you off?

Drafting Slaf actually pisses you off?? He's the only one in his draft class to actually play in NHL games. There is zero guarantee that any other player from that draft class will outperform Slaf, it's all speculation based on admiration for certain prospects.

Does the Monahan deal really piss you off??

Getting Caufield signed bellow what most here thought he'd get pisses you off??

Mistakes were made I'm sure, I'd say I'm disappointed that we didn't' draft Michkov. But before I through Hughes in the wood chipper, I need to see Reinbacher perform.

I think what you need is a big hug this morning

Good post....

 

[Heffyhoof]

What was the geopolitical issue again?

4 Russians selected in the first round.

An excuse for certain posters to act like the rest of us were dumb and didn't know there was a war going on?

 

[Zorro]

Like mostly everyone, i was pretty taken back with the Reinbacher selection, even though i had him in going 6th OA. Unlike KK this wasn't a reach for Reinbacher to be selected in the top 5, but what really hurts is that we may have skipped over a generational talent like Mitchkov. I was/am very high on Reinbacher (gotta find a nickname for the kid cause this is too long lol) and i wouldn't have been as surprised with the pick even if Carlsson or Smith were still on the board.

This will put a lot of pressure on the kid (undeservedly) but more importantly, this will be the defining moment for HuGo. That being said, unlike a lot posts i've seen, i'm still fully behind Hughes. I have no reason not to be. Lots of folks mock the Slaf pick, but who from that draft has demonstrated that they should have gone #1 (instead of Slaf)?

Like i said, Hughes has done some great stuff such as getting Dach, signing CC to a fair deal, picking up Monahan and even ridding ourselves of Weber's contract. The proof is there, and that's why i'm still fully behind them.

If we look at this with a "glass half full" mentality, Reinbacher could be the "steal" of the top 10. Hard to be a steal at #5, but 3 teams still passed him. This is supposed to be the "deepest draft" in 20 years and we picked the top D from that draft. If we make a comparison to 2003, here's their top 10:

1: Marc-Andre Fleury, Pittsbugh
2: Eric Staal, Carolina
3: Nathan Horton, Florida
4: Nikolai Zherdev, Columbus Blue Jackets
5: Thomas Vanek, Buffalo Sabres
6: Milan Michalek, San Jose
7: Ryan Suter, Nashville Predators
8: Braydon Coburn, Atlanta Thrashers
9: Dion Phaneuf, Calgary Flames
10: Andrei Kostitsyn, MTL

I've now read/seen a ton of stuff from Reinbacher and everyone had this kid pegged as a top draftee with a very high floor who will make the NHL pretty quickly. And this was well over a year ago. I think we got a good one, but i get it, it stings a little when we may have skipped on mini-OV.

 

[Belial]

In terms of their upside estimate, I think they're on the money.

What it makes me think is that they're basing this on their ''certainty'' that Reinbacher will be great or not, which is something that I don't really like. There's two things: how good you think a player can be, and the likelihood that they will be that good. I think scouts have a pretty good read on the former, whereas the latter is more random.

As an example, I think Reinbacher can be anything between Ekholm and Josi. I can't tell you which it's going to be right now, though.

Do you think they'll bring him over right away or let him simmer another year in Europe?

 

[BenchBrawl]

Like mostly everyone, i was pretty taken back with the Reinbacher selection, even though i had him in going 6th OA. Unlike KK this wasn't a reach for Reinbacher to be selected in the top 5, but what really hurts is that we may have skipped over a generational talent like Mitchkov. I was/am very high on Reinbacher (gotta find a nickname for the kid cause this is too long lol) and i wouldn't have been as surprised with the pick even if Carlsson or Smith were still on the board.

This will put a lot of pressure on the kid (undeservedly) but more importantly, this will be the defining moment for HuGo. That being said, unlike a lot posts i've seen, i'm still fully behind Hughes. I have no reason not to be. Lots of folks mock the Slaf pick, but who from that draft has demonstrated that they should have gone #1 (instead of Slaf)?

Like i said, Hughes has done some great stuff such as getting Dach, signing CC to a fair deal, picking up Monahan and even ridding ourselves of Weber's contract. The proof is there, and that's why i'm still fully behind them.

If we look at this with a "glass half full" mentality, Reinbacher could be the "steal" of the top 10. Hard to be a steal at #5, but 3 teams still passed him. This is supposed to be the "deepest draft" in 20 years and we picked the top D from that draft. If we make a comparison to 2003, here's their top 10:

1: Marc-Andre Fleury, Pittsbugh
2: Eric Staal, Carolina
3: Nathan Horton, Florida
4: Nikolai Zherdev, Columbus Blue Jackets
5: Thomas Vanek, Buffalo Sabres
6: Milan Michalek, San Jose
7: Ryan Suter, Nashville Predators
8: Braydon Coburn, Atlanta Thrashers
9: Dion Phaneuf, Calgary Flames
10: Andrei Kostitsyn, MTL

I've now read/seen a ton of stuff from Reinbacher and everyone had this kid pegged as a top draftee with a very high floor who will make the NHL pretty quickly. And this was well over a year ago. I think we got a good one, but i get it, it stings a little when we may have skipped on mini-OV.

To this day i believe Kostitsyn was a good pick. He was worth the gamble. He had everything.

You see? I don't need to see the result to know gambling all-in on AA in NLHE is a good idea.

Sometimes you lose the gamble, so be it. Doesn't make it a bad gamble.