Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

[Milhouse40]

Bergevin didn't give a rat's ass about the fans either. He put out a boring team and didn't even spend to the cap when he made his win-now moves and committed to Price and Weber. It did not work out well.

Disagree = Drouin was made to please the fans as an example, so pretty much every choice he made as coaches.

We haven't been in a legit window of contention since the late-1980s.

Only luckboxed cinderalla runs.

Enough is enough.

The fans may just know better after all.

The Fans knows better cause they dismiss the bad choices they would have made and only look at the good ones.

I'm humble enough to know I would have been wrong more times than not either and that'S even If I would have made better choices than them many times

 

[ChesterNimitz]

They didn't because they're losers who wouldn't know asset management if it bit them in the ass.

The Monahan, Dach and Matheson transactions and the drafting of Hutson, would offer a counter view-point. No one 'wins' every transaction.

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

Eichel is a dominant superstar who manhandled competition throughout the playoffs both offensively and defensively. His talent as a forward far outstrips anything that we've seen on the Habs for the last thirty years.

Chandler Stephenson was literally right behind him in pts. Would you consider him a game breaking talent?

Anyways, time will tell if Eichel is indeed who you claim he is. Maybe you're right, maybe Hugues and Co are basically just another MB, but a more polished version. But they should get at least 5 years before we can make a proper judgement on their drafting abilities.

We just gotta stay healthy.

 

[Tyson]

Newhook ~1000 minutes at 5v5 and ~113 minutes on the PP this season.

Of those, he played with :
- Rantanen : ~148 mins at 5v5, ~33 minutes on the PP
- MacKinnon : ~36 minutes at 5v5, ~18 minutes on the PP
- Makar : ~179 minutes at 5v5, ~29 minutes on the PP

That's not playing with Makar, MacKinnon, etc. and certainly not sufficient ice time together with any of them to conclude anything (notably since a lot of those minutes must have been overlapping stuff between line changes, or them playing nearly entire PPs).

Like, no, I don't think Newhook will blossom into something magical either. Just wanted to do some fact checking on that specific statement.

Newhook may surprise. Anyone who skates like that and has good hockey smarts might just need a better opportunity. He is one explosive skater. I like this acquisition more and more.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Do you think they'll bring him over right away or let him simmer another year in Europe?

I really hope they let him simmer one more year, but we'll see. Anywhere but the NHL.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Disagree = Drouin was made to please the fans as an example, so pretty much every choice he made as coaches.



The Fans knows better cause they dismiss the bad choices they would have made and only look at the good ones.

I'm humble enough to know I would have been wrong more times than not either and that'S even If I would have made better choices than them many times

Drouin was a gamble that was worth taking. We lost. So be it.

You go all-in with AA sometimes you lose. Whatever.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

The Monahan, Dach and Matheson transactions and the drafting of Hutson, would offer a counter view-point. No one 'wins' every transaction.

Bergevin won many transactions and was still incapable of... anything, really.

 

[jaffy27]

Habs have to improve their amateur and pro scout departments. They just don't impress me.

I was impressed with last years haul.

This year, well....lol

I like the pick, but would've LOVED the pick had it been Michkov. I'm just waiting for this kid to come over and own the blue line.......that will inflate some air back into my optimism balloon

We also got Newhook, that I'm really excited about!!

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Chandler Stephenson was literally right behind him in pts. Would you consider him a game breaking talent?

Anyways, time will tell if Eichel is indeed who you claim he is. Maybe you're right, maybe Hugues and Co are basically just another MB, but a more polished version. But they should get at least 5 years before we can make a proper judgement on their drafting abilities.

We just gotta stay healthy.

Time has already told. He's a chief contributor to a Stanley Cup. He has that forever.


Currently, they're appearing to be a smoother-talking MB.

I'm personally tired of waiting for seemingly idiotic decisions to be proven to be idiotic after years of waiting. We've been through this before. I don't know about anyone else.

 

[Belial]

I really hope they let him simmer one more year, but we'll see. Anywhere but the NHL.

What if he kills it during camp?

 

[NotProkofievian]

What if he kills it during camp?

 

[Tyson]

I was impressed with last years haul.

This year, well....lol

I like the pick, but would've LOVED the pick had it been Michkov. I'm just waiting for this kid to come over and own the blue line.......that will inflate some air back into my optimism balloon

We also got Newhook, that I'm really excited about!!

Time will tell I guess with Reinbacher. Hughes can say it anyway he wants but he drafted for need and that often times doesn't work.

Newhook on the other hand I believe will break out immediately.

I am not confident with these scouts.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Newhook may surprise. Anyone who skates like that and has good hockey smarts might just need a better opportunity. He is one explosive skater. I like this acquisition more and more.

Good post. The first time the doubters here see Newhook skate with the puck, they will be singing their praise of this trade. As I said earlier, Newhook is already the fastest player on this team.

 

[Belial]

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His teammate said he's ready for the NHL!

 

[jaffy27]

Time will tell I guess with Reinbacher. Hughes can say it anyway he wants but he drafted for need and that often times doesn't work.

Newhook on the other hand I believe will break out immediately.

I am not confident with these scouts.

I'm in no man's land when it comes to that one.....I can't say I dislike or like them, there is just not enough evidence for me to draw up conclusions. I need to see how these players develop and if we are gonna start hitting our mark like St-Louis does or Anaheim.

Hughes just went all in with a pair of jacks........I'm praying that Philly is not holding pocket aces with Michkov

 

[ReHabs]

Disagree = Drouin was made to please the fans as an example, so pretty much every choice he made as coaches.

Bergevin's mistakes will be viewed at in contrast to any move Hughes makes. Now you're claiming Drouin was acquired to please the fans, which I don't buy actually. He acquired Drouin because he thought Drouin would be the star productive forward we really badly needed. He was wrong. He didn't give a damn about the fans -- he didn't acquire ROR when he was available, he didn't trade futures for talent, he traded away fan favourite PK Subban and didn't re-sign fan favourites Andrei Markov or Alex Radulov.

Bergevin didn't care about the fans and that's fine. It's not his job. Problem was he was also bad at his job. Hopefully Hughes is less bad at being a GM.

If it's too early to trust then it is also to early to earn our ire.

It is WAAAAAAY too early to declare defeats or victories.

I don't buy the "it's too early" talk, we saw this with regards to Bergevin even five years into his tenure. Let's be allowed to be demanding fans for once. Or at least allow others to be demanding -- you can be chilled if you want.

An excuse for certain posters to act like the rest of us were dumb and didn't know there was a war going on?

To be braying donkeys, racist and discriminatory with a thin gossamer sheer of plausible deniability, concern trolls, geopolitical analysts, etc.

Michkov went top10 despite all the character assassination and externalities. Despite his contract. Despite the "coup" that certain commentators here would breathlessly celebrate. Despite his father's untimely death being used as a bludgeon against him. I wish him well, I'll be sure to remind Grant McCagg of it every day.

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All the above notwithstanding, Reinbacher isn't a bad pick. He's definitely a top5 worthy prospect. I just don't feel THE HABS should've taken him given how badly we needed a start forward and still do. Elite dmen are easier to come by than eltie forwards, imo.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I actually thought some would understand after seeing Toronto/Edmonton fail each year with all the offensive skills they have, that building a winning team is more then just offensive skills

That would be fair, if we had anyone comparable to Matthews. Marner and Tavares on our team.

 

[CoopersFalls]

Anybody think we trade for a 2nd rounder?

 

[Wats]

Bergevin didn't give a rat's ass about the fans either. He put out a boring team and didn't even spend to the cap when he made his win-now moves and committed to Price and Weber. It did not work out well.

Absent good results, we should have good performances. Right now we have neither.

And it's not like the Habs' record under Hughes has been good. Let's be fair and admit they're rebuilding but there is no reason to trust their draft judgement so far -- it's early but they should earn trust.


I don't think Slaf's career is over but I sure as hell don't expect anything impactful from him. From the moment he was drafted until now the general aggregate prognosis for his career has trended down. The tenor of the hype around him is about "deluxe 2nd line winger" from what I can gather. Hughes didn't mention him when he referred to the future core forwards. Tells me a lot.

If they hadn't squandered the 1OA and instead picked Nemec or Jiricek, they would've been able to swing for the home run pick.

Imagine Michkov becomes what he's hyped to be? How much it'd burn us for the next 10+ years... christ.

Bergevin not spending to cap during the window to actually potentially do damage and then going on to overpay a bunch of players and waste cap at the end is such a tragedy.

Michkov lighting up with the Flyers could very well this generations Giroux.

 

[General Fanager]

I am not going to lie I wanted a forward.

I am also sure that in 3-4 years we will all be super happy about having a solid, reliable RHD to play with Hutson.

Im still torn though......

 

[Archijerej]

And even if we go by needs, we have a gazillion D prospects. This "oh no we don't have much right-hand Ds". WTF, we can convert some or trade for some. If we go by needs it's freaking much more important that we got highly skills forwards. If not Michkov, pick Leonard. Gritty guy that can play on our first two lines.

A positional value is always part of a player's general value. For every organization. Talking about BPA is all well and good, but there's a reason, for example, why most of the good centers are usually taken at the top of the draft.

Drafting for need as a fault is when you talk yourself into selecting a player of clearly a lower tier, just because he plays a certain position.

We shall see if this is indeed the case here and Michkov's relative impact will be significantly higher than Reinbacher's, but in and of itself a desire to fill a top pair RD spot with a high pick is perfectly reasonable.

 

[pickles555]

I thought this organization might learn something from the KK vs Brady T debacle, but no, they keep repeating the same mistakes, and failing strategy,

Once again they do not take the BPA, they take an inferior player just because he plays the position that they lack, and have an urgent need for,

Once again missing out on high end, top end talent,

Pathetic

If Reinbacher was what they wanted, why wouldn't they trade down to at least #7 or #8?

He probably still would have been there at #10

This pick tells me that the organization is content and happy with the current wingers situation, seeing as they didn't have any need for Michkov,

I can't believe the prize for a season wasted is Reinbacher

Would have been better off trading the pick for Keller or PLD

 

[waitin425]

I've had a night to sleep on this. Man I was grumpy last night after hearing us draft David......uh.....rei.....**Help***.......Reinbacher

Coming into this offseason I had penciled in PLD and Michkov dreaming of two #1 lines.

I still for the record would have drafted Michkov. But, it is time to move on. I freely admit I know nothing compared to the paid scouts who do this stuff night in and night out and thus, I will put my blind faith in them.

I do not think we have improved our team for next year. The only improvements will be the individual players growth (I'm looking at you Caufield, Suzuki, Slaf, Guhle). This will show us where we are at, but I fully expect at least one more year of tanking before we can start to come out of this. Time to focus on the top forward prospects of 2024.

Back to Daveeeeed. Kid, you better be ready. We drafted you 5th overall and passed on what many of us see as generational potential to get you. Nothing short of top pairing, elite skating, crease clearing defencemen will do. I'm talking All-star appearances....better than Nemec, better than Jiricek careers. Think Moritz Seider. You better be our Moritz Seider, or Miro Heiskanen, or Rasmus Dahlin.

If we have legitimately drafted a top pairing D man here, I will be so happy.

Our defence in 3 years.....

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Barron
Xhekaj - Mailloux

Time to explore trade markets for Harris, Engstrom and whoever else is going to get squeezed out.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

His teammate said he's ready for the NHL!

We already have 9D. There isn't going to be any room for him this year anywhere.

I think they start him in AHL, but if he still has another year of high school then he likely goes back to NL.

 

[WeThreeKings]

GMs had concerns on Michkov. The view of him as a player and the reward side of things is different than fans saw it.

Not having live viewings of Michkov compared to a litany of live viewings of other prospects also impacts how confidently a team can project someone.

This isn't to say I think the GMs are right, or the fans are wrong, but as I've been saying for weeks here just relaying information from media, scouts, the combine, etc. as a draft junkie, it was never as black and white as the fans thought and there were valid concerns with the Michkov evaluation along with a higher evaluation of prospects like Reinbacher than the general Twitter scout community.