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Post-Game Talk: 2023 NHL Draft 1st Round post game talk

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pickles555 said:
I thought this organization might learn something from the KK vs Brady T debacle, but no, they keep repeating the same mistakes, and failing strategy,

Once again they do not take the BPA, they take an inferior player just because he plays the position that they lack, and have an urgent need for,

Once again missing out on high end, top end talent,

Pathetic

If Reinbacher was what they wanted, why wouldn't they trade down to at least #7 or #8?

He probably still would have been there at #10

This pick tells me that the organization is content and happy with the current wingers situation, seeing as they didn't have any need for Michkov,

I can't believe the prize for a season wasted is Reinbacher :rolleyes:

Would have been better off trading the pick for Keller or PLD
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I think Arizona proved they would have taken him 6th. It is clear our guys were laser focused on Reinbacher. We could have traded with Philly for 7 and 22, but we wouldn't have got our guy. If we had made the Philly trade, they probably still grabbed MIchkov at 5.

We could have then drafted Leonard at 7 and Gulyayev/Bonk at 22
 
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Two happiest fan bases: Columbus, Philadelphia.

Two unhappiest fan bases: Arizon, Montreal.

At 6, Arizona passed on Russian-Factor risky Michkov for another Russian no one had ranked top 15.

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From now on I think scouts would be better off NOT doing interviews with prospects at all.

Just go watch em, and pick the best player.
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So far the only rationale Hughes has divulged about why they didn't pick Michkov is him saying they didn't like that they didn't get a chance to watch him, whereas they had been tracking Reinbacher all year...
 
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The Habs really rated Reinbacher
The Habs didn't feel Michkov and Reinbacher were too far apart to prefer Michkov over Reinbacher (much like how the Sharks didn't think the gap between Michkov and Smith was such to prefer Michkov over Smith)
The Habs couldn't have sold the 5OA and gone down without losing Reinbacher to Arizona at 6OA because they preferred Reinbacher to Michkov and Leonard

This last one is conjecture:
The Habs drafted for need... but this isn't a bad thing, because there is no such thing as BPA and every team drafts for need.
 
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BenchBrawl said:
This pick has to be better than Sergachev.
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That was my exact thought when the pick was made.

Reinbacher is going to need to be a 40pt+ first pairing 24-25min guy for this pick to pay dividends.

I don’t see a scenario where Michkov isn’t at worst a PPG 40+ goal guy.
 
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The best moment of the draft was Carey screwing up the announcement! :laugh:
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What the heck was with Price?

He looked like he was dazed and confused, and out of it,

Looks like all that pain medication and alcohol has got to him,

I still don't understand why he was even there?
 
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JGRB said:
That was my exact thought when the pick was made.

Reinbacher is going to need to be a 40pt+ first pairing 24-25min guy for this pick to pay dividends.

I don’t see a scenario where Michkov isn’t at worst a PPG 40+ goal guy.
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At worst a 40 goal PPG player? Wow. That's a massive, massive statement.
 
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pickles555 said:
What the heck was with Price?

He looked like he was dazed and confused, and out of it,

Looks like all that pain medication and alcohol has got to him,

I still don't understand why he was even there?
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The very same thing happened with Josi, it's not just Price.
 
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Kimota said:
We have plenty of D we can convert to the right and I didn't say we can obtain a number one D easily. I said we can obtain a right hand D, though. We can trade one of our left hand D for a right hand one down the line. There is no rush, we are rebuilding. You do know that a generational forward that get 100 points is something even harder to aquire than a right hand D, right? The Habs have not have something like this in 30 years!

As far as what we gave for Newhook, that's cause HuGo were dumb.

Take a deep breath and think these things through first.
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Especially a 3-4 D at best. Not sure if anyone has even seen him play here but he is nothing special.
 
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Playmaker09 said:
Another desperation pick.

After picking KK and Galchenyuk in two of the worst center crops in history, we take Reinbacher in the worst defensive class I’ve ever seen.

You don’t get bonus points for picking the biggest fish in the smallest pond.

Legit the only times we simply took what the draft board gave us we ended up with Sergachev and Caufield.

This organization has a fetish for trying to be the smartest group in the room.
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This is the main frustration for me. Especially with 2024 being a strong draft for defense
 
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WeThreeKings said:
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GMs had concerns on Michkov. The view of him as a player and the reward side of things is different than fans saw it.

Not having live viewings of Michkov compared to a litany of live viewings of other prospects also impacts how confidently a team can project someone.

This isn't to say I think the GMs are right, or the fans are wrong, but as I've been saying for weeks here just relaying information from media, scouts, the combine, etc. as a draft junkie, it was never as black and white as the fans thought and there were valid concerns with the Michkov evaluation along with a higher evaluation of prospects like Reinbacher than the general Twitter scout community.
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Flyers were the team most compatible for him; they really had no one playing the role he will play.

We have Caufield; we have our small offence-first guy. He's signed for 8 years, we made our bed. Everybody around him needs to be good two-way. This is why I'm not too frustrated we passed on Michkov (I'm a lot more excited for Ivan Demidov in the next draft because he's a prime skater), I'm more frustrated we didn't move in aggressively to pick up either Dvorsky or Yager / or to take a shot at completely that Suzuki/Caufield line. There are no players like those every draft. In fact, just next year, outside of Celebrini (I'm just getting started) the 2-way qualities of the top 10 forwards in the 2024 draft look meh vs. this year (it's early hoping this changes). Eiserman is mostly offensive, Demidov same Catton is responsible, Helenius maybe, Zetterberg, maybe Massé should be the target, as that missing RW with size and talent. Or Sacha Boisvert, if he progress well this year.

Not moving in to get Dvorsky/Yager, is frustrating because we need these players, but it's also frustrating in the sense that when we are not trading vets out, we will again get a 5-10 pick instead of a top 3 pick. A rebuild made out of 5-10 picks is very long and risky. It's not fully committing to the path/process.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
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GMs had concerns on Michkov. The view of him as a player and the reward side of things is different than fans saw it.

Not having live viewings of Michkov compared to a litany of live viewings of other prospects also impacts how confidently a team can project someone.

This isn't to say I think the GMs are right, or the fans are wrong, but as I've been saying for weeks here just relaying information from media, scouts, the combine, etc. as a draft junkie, it was never as black and white as the fans thought and there were valid concerns with the Michkov evaluation along with a higher evaluation of prospects like Reinbacher than the general Twitter scout community.
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So did scouts not have access to live games because of the war in Ukraine?
 
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Milhouse40 said:
Disagree = Drouin was made to please the fans as an example, so pretty much every choice he made as coaches.



The Fans knows better cause they dismiss the bad choices they would have made and only look at the good ones.

I'm humble enough to know I would have been wrong more times than not either and that'S even If I would have made better choices than them many times
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Most of our fans actually pick better players ahead of what we end of taking. It's sad but true. Just like all the moron GM's that passed on Caufield. We all wanted him. Michkov will be a beast. Bacher sucks. I had him at around 15-20 range. Pelikka will be way better too. Another waste of a year and pick.
 
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pickles555 said:
I thought this organization might learn something from the KK vs Brady T debacle, but no, they keep repeating the same mistakes, and failing strategy,

Once again they do not take the BPA, they take an inferior player just because he plays the position that they lack, and have an urgent need for,

Once again missing out on high end, top end talent,

Pathetic

If Reinbacher was what they wanted, why wouldn't they trade down to at least #7 or #8?

He probably still would have been there at #10

This pick tells me that the organization is content and happy with the current wingers situation, seeing as they didn't have any need for Michkov,

I can't believe the prize for a season wasted is Reinbacher :rolleyes:

Would have been better off trading the pick for Keller or PLD
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I think it should be clear that Reinbacher wasn't getting past 6 with Arizona. I think they took Simashev because the habs took Reinbacher from out of their hands.

The habs identified Reinbacher as their guy, so they couldn't move down.
 
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CheldishGamibno said:
Eh, at least we didn't pick Easton Cowan (???) at 28.
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Yeah, Leafs fans aren't too happy about that one. He had a really strong playoffs though. London's best forward by far.

I think there is top 6 upside, as a second line player in NHL for him, although most places have him as a 3rd liner. He plays a hard nosed, competitive game, he's not big but has a tank-ish type body. It'll depend on how his offense rounds out. I can see him having a good year in London. He's a play driver for them.

I think they could have moved back for him, and gotten more draft picks, but who knows. It was a weird draft to say the least, and there were zero trades.
 
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