OT: 2023 MLB Thread

[romba]

I guess the shift limits would be similar to a rule in hockey that would limit how many players can be within 10 feet of the crease but above the goal line on D, relative to offensive players that are there. So if the O has 3 guys within 10 feet, you’re only allowed 3 guys from your side in the area, and any extra guys get 3 seconds to leave the area or receive a minor penalty. So you can skate through to get a loose puck or do a quick double team down low but more than that will be called.

If teams went hard to the 6 goalie system stacking the crease area and scoring took a nose dive, you can be sure the NHL would be trying something similar as the MLB to limit the defense that they thought was stifling the sport.

 

[ThirdEye]

Can't remember the last time the Yankees lit up Tampa like this. I'll take the unexpected reprieve

 

[mrmovies779]

Hard part is going to be getting 5 innings in with this rain

 

[Irishguy42]

edit: NVM I'm dumb and misread

 

[sbjnyc]

I dont even get your argument anymore. Both articles clearly state that the shift has has a dramatic effect on lefties in particular, and one even showed a slight uptick in strikeouts and walks.

The last article basically said that althe shift might even be causing worse fundamentals in their swing .

Basically, the shift adds no value to the game and only detracts. And again who goes to a game and cheers for good defensive positioning. The removal of the shift is bringing the game back to how it was played for over 50 years. How the game was meant to be played.

Hopefully, these changes will encourage more contact, baserunning, action and more acrobatic defensive plays.

I'm not sure what you're reading,

From the Bill James article.

"So, in general the shift is only going to lower the overall BABIP by about 1 or 2 points, and that gets lost in the noise when looking at year-to-year BABIPs."

"However, just because it might be difficult to see the impact that shifting has had when looking at year-to-year numbers doesn't mean that shifting hasn't had a meaningful effect. So far this season teams have saved 127 runs throughout baseball by shifting. If we assume all those runs would have been earned, that means the league's overall ERA of 3.80 would actually be 3.85 if teams weren't shifting. So, the shift does make a difference."

That's 1 run in 20 games that the shift is worth.

"While shifting definitely makes a difference, regulating it isn't going to reverse recent run-scoring trends. In fact, by taking away the shift and limiting the strategies that teams can use to gain an edge, MLB would actually be making the game less exciting."

That is my take as well.

From the fangraphs article.

"The hitters with a tendency to pull their grounders often record the lowest groundball rates. In other words, the hitter who seem like beneficiaries of a shift-less environment don’t actually have much to gain. If anything, removing the shift also removes the downside in adopting a pull-heavy, air-oriented approach, and if we’re to believe that strikeouts go hand-in-hand with “launch angle” swings, a ban on the shift likely won’t have the desired effect."

"While writing this article, Carleton published his own thoughts on the proposed shift ban, in which he estimated the league-wide reduction in strikeouts to be a “per PA rate of 0.4 percent.” That’s an extremely small decrease, one that no human would notice unless it were pointed out to them. It tracks with the data on batted balls from earlier. BABIP has gone down, but to an extent only visible on a spreadsheet."

As for your opinion on the value of the shift and what people go to games to watch, it's just an opinion and we all have them. As for me, its like any other sport - I like watching a well played game with a well executed game plan and that includes good defense. Restricting the strategies available to the manager to artificially inflate offense gives you the current NFL where everyone seems to complain about rules restricting defenses but enjoy when games are decided by 5 scores in the last minute of the game because no one can play defense anymore.

 

[ohbaby]

Mets lead the Braves by 1 and a half games after the Braves have their worst defeat of the year.

Braves facing Seattle, comeback in the 9th, scoring 5 runs to take a 7-6 lead, only to lose it in the bottom of the 9th with the best closer in baseball the last decade on the mound. Jansen gives up two homers, one to the AL's rookie of the year, Rodriguez, a rocket of a shot (117 mph exit velocity). And then the walk-off homer by Suarez who once hit 49 dingers in Cincinnati.

As a Met fan,... watching Alanta lose like that,.... was fantastic!! LOL!

 

[Larrybiv]

Mets lead the Braves by 1 and a half games after the Braves have their worst defeat of the year.

Braves facing Seattle, comeback in the 9th, scoring 5 runs to take a 7-6 lead, only to lose it in the bottom of the 9th with the best closer in baseball the last decade on the mound. Jansen gives up two homers, one to the AL's rookie of the year, Rodriguez, a rocket of a shot (117 mph exit velocity). And then the walk-off homer by Suarez who once hit 49 dingers in Cincinnati.

As a Met fan,... watching Alanta lose like that,.... was fantastic!! LOL!

While watching "condensed version"......I was like; Good job Seattle, Thanks. Thats when Atlanta came up with those 5 runs, then I was like; "you gotta be kidding me". Thinking an Atlanta win was inevitable, Rodriguez ties it with a clutch homer. Then the win.
That loss probably hurt MORE than not even taking the lead in the 9th. Emotional roller coaster.

Wanna say, I think we had a game similar to that (Philly?) where we looked destined to steal a game, then blew it in the bottom half.
(P.S.) Not talking about the actual miraculous 6 or 7 run 9th they won vs Philly as well.

We blew another opp. last night, losing to the Cubs.
Atlanta was bound to falter a bit......We needed to be destroying the likes of Wash.(earlier) Miami, Pitt. and now the Cubs

 

[sbjnyc]

How long before he is playing for the yanks?

 

[Machinehead]

How long before he is playing for the yanks?

The Yankees will take one look at the price tag and he'll be off to somewhere in California

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

The Yankees will take one look at the price tag and he'll be off to somewhere in California

Eh, they would have signed Ohtani when he was a FA if he wanted to come here.

 

[will1066]

This is ugly baseball by the Metropolitans.

 

[sbjnyc]

The Yankees will take one look at the price tag and he'll be off to somewhere in California

You should look at what ohtani makes.

 

[RickChartraw]

jeez, Garret Cole gives up a lot of homers.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

jeez, Garret Cole gives up a lot of homers.

That's the big issue with him this season. Otherwise, he's been good.

 

[Irishguy42]

jeez, Garret Cole gives up a lot of homers.

Yup. His biggest issue.

Cole is usually electric for the most part, but he always seems to have a single inning where he just implodes, and it's always imploding with homers. He is still striking people out at a great rate, but he's just letting up a lot of homers.

He's still an ace

 

[RickChartraw]

what a season from Judge. at 57 now.

 

[Irishguy42]

Judge gonna pass Maris either tonight or tomorrow at this rate

 

[RickChartraw]

clutch hit from Torres. Let's go!

 

[mrmovies779]

When Torres is using the entire field he's a much better hitter.He gets into these hr or nothing swings and it kills his game

 

[17futurecap]

Nice to see them winning some games.

Judge, no words.

 

[Kocur26]

 

[Kocur26]

Gerrit Cole continues be a fraud …
I don’t care how many K’s he has - you know he’s giving up a moonshot or two.

He’s not an ace and @ $324 million he’s the most overpaid player in sports after Dashsun Watson.

 

[Bob Richards]

Judge at 9.7 fWAR with a couple weeks left in the season.

Only two active players have reached 10+ with Trout and Mookie.

 

[ecemleafs]

Judge at 9.7 fWAR with a couple weeks left in the season.

Only two active players have reached 10+ with Trout and Mookie.

im not a math nerd, but it amazes me how a guy that has 20 more homers than the next best guy, is batting .310, is leading the league in ribbies by a bunch, leading in OPS by a significant amount, is on pace to shatter the AL record in homers, and is only 1.7 wins above replacement over the next guy lol.

 

[Kane One]

im not a math nerd, but it amazes me how a guy that has 20 more homers than the next best guy, is batting .310, is leading the league in ribbies by a bunch, leading in OPS by a significant amount, is on pace to shatter the AL record in homers, and is only 1.7 wins above replacement over the next guy lol.

Where are you getting 1.7 from?

Also the next guy is Ohtani, where I think the answer to that is obvious.