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Love the pitch clock, not a fan of getting rid of the shift rules, it’s good strategy being taken away, but I understand more hits more excitement.
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I am more excited for the shift being taken away. Thats like rooting for the neutral zone trap to make a comeback in hockey!
Ie it adds nothing good to the game and just makes it boring.
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I think 15 seconds is too much. Should have gone with 25 and with runners on base 30. You could always adjust it down the following season if it isn't quick enough. The issue isn't the guys taking 30 seconds, it's the guys who modeled their game after Steve Trachsel.
I'm okay with the shift rules. You can still shade your defense to the pull side, but you can't have everyone on one side of the infield. Not having the softball outfielder is good. Wonder what it does if a team does want to use a 4 outfielder alignment for a batter.
Bigger bases is whatever to me. Shouldn't have a huge impact on the game.
I'm okay with the shift rules. You can still shade your defense to the pull side, but you can't have everyone on one side of the infield. Not having the softball outfielder is good. Wonder what it does if a team does want to use a 4 outfielder alignment for a batter.
Bigger bases is whatever to me. Shouldn't have a huge impact on the game.
I disagree. The pitchclock itself I don't mind but if the goal is to shorten the games, adding offense isn't the way to go. I also don't like the continued reduction in the manager's role.As expected all rule changes passed.
As expected players voted agains pitch clock and no shifts. But they were outvoted and it will be implemented.
Got to say, i think this is the best thing to happen to baseball in years. Might even save the sport from itself.
A 15-second pitch clock? The end of the shift? What you need to know about MLB's 2023 rule changes
Major League Baseball is shaking up the way the game is played starting next season. We break down how the changes will impact the sport.www.espn.com
the goal is not just to shorten games, but to have more action within the shorter games. Baseball sucks now. Its long, and the action is not nearly as much as it used to be.
To much Hr, walk or strikeout. Hopefully this leads to more rally’s, base hits and stolen bases.
I do agree about the reduced managers role. Thats why i wish they made the rule when u replace the starting pitcher than u lose the DH. It adds to the strategy, while also truly blending the AL and NL style of games.
Also, i love lindors comment about commercials. Hopefully commercial time will go down too.. though i highly doubt it.
Shorter games with more action in baseball seems like a contradiction assuming that by action you mean offense. The pitchclock should help. Not sure about restrictions on pickoff moves but whatever (don't know if that made it in to final rules). I don't like the shift ban at all. It's been around forever and if teams don't want to teach basic fundamentals to their players they shouldn't get a benefit out of it. Plus since the shift seems to work, banning it will lead to more runs more pitching changes and thus longer games.
More runs and pitching changes!?!?!? An exciting game, oh no!
Shorter games isn't the only goal; it's BETTER games. If the idea was only about shorter games, it could be addressed by turning off the lights and kicking teams out. They don't want shorter games, they want more dynamic games, and if they clock in at ~2:30 on average, chefs kiss.
I was really worried about the 'BuT TrAdItIoN" crowd, but I was pleasantly surprised by baseball fans acceptance. The game, as currently setup, is broken. Human nature is extremely conservative to change, even good change, so I applaud this first step. It isn't an affront to fundamentals, baseball has changed the rules SO many times, I don't even know where to begin.
Personally I like the spirit of the pitch clock, just not the implementation. I don't need another graphic on the screen and the eventual, "did player X get back in the box at 8 or 7.5 seconds?!?!?" situation. Alternatively, I just want to ban the hitter 'time' request and not allow a player to exit the box during an at bat. If he wants to take his gloves on and off 15x and adjust his cup to the liking of Lord Xenu, then let him risk a pitcher noticing he isn't ready and delivering a pitch while he's applying his lucky chapstick.
The weak shift rules only gets rid of some of the most egregious positioning and almost every sport has outlined illegal defenses, this becomes MLB's.
Now give me robot strike zone!
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The ideas are good but if this just results in more nonsense tv time with overall length being the same, it's a net negative.
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What I need Boone to pull is the trigger to put me out of my misery
Maybe MLB can ban double play depth or guarding the lines for some more action.
What's an illegal defense in hockey or football?
Was at the Yankee game last night. Great Ceremony, brought back a lot of memories. Hicks is not good. Lol.
Sure, here are a few
Illegal defense in hockey: goalies playing the puck behind the goal line in the corners; defenders (non-goalies) can't play the puck with their hands in the crease, defenders can't clear the puck over the glass while in defensive zone, etc
Illegal defense in football: illegal formations: ex. Punts, defenders on line of scrimmage must be outside the shoulders of the long snapper, not directly infront
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Irishguy42
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Its not defense when you control the puck. Regarding playing the puck with your hands you are grasping for straws. That had nothing to do with where you are positioned. Baseball players can't throw their gloves but that's not remotely the same as a shift ban.
There are no line rules for defense except for that one single type of play and it's to protect the snapper who is in a vulnerable position. To make the rule analagous in hockey you'd have to require each player to stick to their zone. A rule forcing defensive players to play in specific zones will only exist in baseball starting next year.
Basketball has defensive rules. I dont tbinknu caab play zone in the nba, and u cant just clog the lane.
Hockey changed the two line pass rule to just basically diminish the left wing lock defense.
Nobody pays to watch the ahift in baseball. And if u do, well u have issues my friend. The shift sucks and took away from the game. It leads to less excitement both from an offslensice standpoint, as well as defensive as less acrobatic defensive plays are made. It plain just stifled the game.
I didn't mention basketball but its not the positioning that's the issue there. In fact you can think of the new baseball rule as forcing the infield to play a zone.
The change in offsides passes was a relaxation of a restriction on the offense.
You know what's fun to watch? Players with good fundamental baseball skills. No one is interested in watching savage statues in the box. Kind of like how nobody wants to watch Reaves play hockey but we like when he partakes in other hockey related things.
IMO the shift isn't the problem its the abdication of fundamentals in the name of "analytics". Players are striking out too much because they seem to be too concerned with launch angles and exit velos and not with, you know, actually making contact. Frankly, as bad as umps can be, I think when MLB goes to robo-umps, players are going to be shocked at how poorly they know the strikezone.
In any event, the actual contact stats have been largely the same year in and year out. So what is the statistical basis for claiming that the shift is the cause of reduced offense? BABIP has remained largely unchanged over the past 20 years.
Here is an article from Bill James using 10 years of data ending in 2014 comparing BABIP to shifts. How Do Shifts Affect League-Wide BABIP? | Articles | Bill James Online
Here is a graph from a fangraphs article on shifts (link below) which provides more detailed data. What exactly is is your case?
What Banning the Shift Does And Does Not Accomplish
Rob Manfred and co. want the shift gone, but what are they getting out of it?
I didn't mention basketball but its not the positioning that's the issue there. In fact you can think of the new baseball rule as forcing the infield to play a zone.
The change in offsides passes was a relaxation of a restriction on the offense.
You know what's fun to watch? Players with good fundamental baseball skills. No one is interested in watching savage statues in the box. Kind of like how nobody wants to watch Reaves play hockey but we like when he partakes in other hockey related things.
IMO the shift isn't the problem its the abdication of fundamentals in the name of "analytics". Players are striking out too much because they seem to be too concerned with launch angles and exit velos and not with, you know, actually making contact. Frankly, as bad as umps can be, I think when MLB goes to robo-umps, players are going to be shocked at how poorly they know the strikezone.
In any event, the actual contact stats have been largely the same year in and year out. So what is the statistical basis for claiming that the shift is the cause of reduced offense? BABIP has remained largely unchanged over the past 20 years.
Here is an article from Bill James using 10 years of data ending in 2014 comparing BABIP to shifts. How Do Shifts Affect League-Wide BABIP? | Articles | Bill James Online
Here is a graph from a fangraphs article on shifts (link below) which provides more detailed data. What exactly is is your case?
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What Banning the Shift Does And Does Not Accomplish
Rob Manfred and co. want the shift gone, but what are they getting out of it?blogs.fangraphs.com
I dont even get your argument anymore. Both articles clearly state that the shift has has a dramatic effect on lefties in particular, and one even showed a slight uptick in strikeouts and walks.
The last article basically said that althe shift might even be causing worse fundamentals in their swing .
Basically, the shift adds no value to the game and only detracts. And again who goes to a game and cheers for good defensive positioning. The removal of the shift is bringing the game back to how it was played for over 50 years. How the game was meant to be played.
Hopefully, these changes will encourage more contact, baserunning, action and more acrobatic defensive plays.
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