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HANK30
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One WS in the past twenty years for this franchise is pathetic. That’s on Cashman. The Yankees have spent, what, over $2 Billion during that period and all they have to show is a single WS?
NickyFotiu
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They won in 2009. There are around 20 other MLB teams that wish they could say the same.
mrmovies779
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But apparently a reasonable trade for him starts with stanton and severino.
NickyFotiu
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mrmovies779
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Surprised he didn't pull him in the 8th inning of the perfect game, Rather have Gallant manage the Yankees.
HANK30
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there are 29 other MLB teams that didn’t their players nearly as much over the past 20 years. talk about no bang for your buck. George would not be happy with what he is seeing now.
NickyFotiu
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George had his own tough times. Im reading all about them in the book Steinbrenner. I lived through them but there is so much behind the scenes stuff I didn't know. George was far from perfect. He traded Jay Buhner, Fred Mgriff, Doug Drabek, etc as young prospects. Also paid big money for many free agents that ended badly.
HANK30
Tom Brady 4-3 in SBs without Patriot cheating
George had a much shorter leash than Hal does. George would be all over Boone and Cashman right now. Hal, on the other hand, says he won't make a move at GM unless the players lose confidence in team management.
In any event, the Yanks are firing their hitting coach, which is a start.
NickyFotiu
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George hired and fired Billy 5 times. He chewed out Al Rosen for calling heads in a coin flip. Yeah Id say he had a short leash.
Irishguy42
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NickyFotiu
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I really recommend this book Steinbrenner. Learning so much behind the scenes stuff I did not know.
Around 20 years ago Steinbrenner fired Buck. At that time they were having trouble finding GM's and managers that would work with George. When Gene Stick Michael hired Joe Torre the newspapers labeled him as Clueless Joe. He had not won or been in a playoff. His career record had over 1000 losses. Expansion Arizona made a deal to hire Buck for 7 years but he would have to wait a year. In George fashion he had regrets about firing Buck after both Gene and Cashman told George they though George fired the best man for the job. So George flew down to see Buck. George who had recently fired Buck said he wanted Buck back. Buck said you already hired a manager (Torre). Before Torre ever managed a game for the Yankees, George told Buck don't worry about that. I can kick him upstairs as Pres of the team if you will come back. Buck said I have a deal with Arizona. George asked if it was signed. Buck said a handshake. So it looked like Buck was coming back. Buck said he needed to be able to choose his coaches. George would not allow that so Buck did not get the job again. That is how Torre started out as Yankee manager.
Around 20 years ago Steinbrenner fired Buck. At that time they were having trouble finding GM's and managers that would work with George. When Gene Stick Michael hired Joe Torre the newspapers labeled him as Clueless Joe. He had not won or been in a playoff. His career record had over 1000 losses. Expansion Arizona made a deal to hire Buck for 7 years but he would have to wait a year. In George fashion he had regrets about firing Buck after both Gene and Cashman told George they though George fired the best man for the job. So George flew down to see Buck. George who had recently fired Buck said he wanted Buck back. Buck said you already hired a manager (Torre). Before Torre ever managed a game for the Yankees, George told Buck don't worry about that. I can kick him upstairs as Pres of the team if you will come back. Buck said I have a deal with Arizona. George asked if it was signed. Buck said a handshake. So it looked like Buck was coming back. Buck said he needed to be able to choose his coaches. George would not allow that so Buck did not get the job again. That is how Torre started out as Yankee manager.
Machinehead
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As much as I have qualms with the coaching and think Boone is the worst bullpen manager I've ever seen, the Yankees have a management and front office problem.
They have to be one of the worst development teams in sports. All these prospects we heard about and still hear about, that they wouldn't trade for anything back when they actually had a chance to win, and nobody met expectations.
Estevan Florial is like 90 and still in the minors. I'm pretty sure Clint Frazier has a real job now. The Yankees wouldn't have traded them for Mike Trout.
At least a lot of the Rangers disappointments play in the NHL.
They have to be one of the worst development teams in sports. All these prospects we heard about and still hear about, that they wouldn't trade for anything back when they actually had a chance to win, and nobody met expectations.
Estevan Florial is like 90 and still in the minors. I'm pretty sure Clint Frazier has a real job now. The Yankees wouldn't have traded them for Mike Trout.
At least a lot of the Rangers disappointments play in the NHL.
IronBloodedLion
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When they made the decision to rebuild the team a few year ago it should’ve been a top down, bottom up rebuild. Just a total organizational rebuild. President, GM, Manager, Scouts, etc. Just a completely new direction for the franchise. It’s the New York Yankees, you’re going to be able to choose whoever you want to rebuild the franchise.
Instead they kept Cashman who built an old, slow, oft injured team and rebuilt them into an old, slow, oft injured team, but with Gerrit Cole.
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RangerBlues
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So Judge is done for the season and the yanks need a new hitting approach.
second half is gonna be different.
second half is gonna be different.
Crease
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Irishguy42
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Machinehead
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The Yankees keep drafting guys that strike out too much to begin with and then they get in the organization and it gets worse.
I get the power revolution and that baseball as a whole strikes out more, but teams that win still tend to not strike out a lot relative to the league.
Back in the day, it used to be don't strike out, put the ball in play, things will happen.
With the balls and stadiums nowadays, you put enough balls in play, they're three-run homers.
It's not "luck" that the Astros kept killing us with 75 MPH homeruns.
I get the power revolution and that baseball as a whole strikes out more, but teams that win still tend to not strike out a lot relative to the league.
Back in the day, it used to be don't strike out, put the ball in play, things will happen.
With the balls and stadiums nowadays, you put enough balls in play, they're three-run homers.
It's not "luck" that the Astros kept killing us with 75 MPH homeruns.
Irishguy42
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