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Another big boy win..come from behind too...keep it going,boys

4 straight series wins to open the season..only the 5th time they've done that in franchise history.impressive
 
Baty needs to be up. @Ruggs225 was right on that one for sure. I don't know what you do with Escobar, but Baty deserves a shot at this point.

Where it gets really tricky is that Vientos also should get a look, as he's crushing the ball in Syracuse, and so is Mauricio. But Vientos really can't do anything other than DH and play a crappy 3B, and Mauricio they insist on keeping at SS.

So what do you do? Even if you make Escobar disappear, that's just one spot. You could theoretically then move Vogelbach, and Baty and Vientos could split time at 3B and DH. Still no room for Mauricio. You can't move Guillorme and his versatility. In the OF, you don't want to move Locastro who is there to serve a very clearly defined purpose.

I guess you could drop a pen arm like Denyi whoever that guy is, but early in the season that's risky with guys not going deep.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Baty needs to be up. @Ruggs225 was right on that one for sure. I don't know what you do with Escobar, but Baty deserves a shot at this point.

Where it gets really tricky is that Vientos also should get a look, as he's crushing the ball in Syracuse, and so is Mauricio. But Vientos really can't do anything other than DH and play a crappy 3B, and Mauricio they insist on keeping at SS.

So what do you do? Even if you make Escobar disappear, that's just one spot. You could theoretically then move Vogelbach, and Baty and Vientos could split time at 3B and DH. Still no room for Mauricio. You can't move Guillorme and his versatility. In the OF, you don't want to move Locastro who is there to serve a very clearly defined purpose.

I guess you could drop a pen arm like Denyi whoever that guy is, but early in the season that's risky with guys not going deep.
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There are roster improvements to be made. The Mets bench is not good. Vogelbach, Pham, Guillorme, Locastro, and whoever is not behind the dish Nido or Alvarez. Vogey can’t hit lefties, the catchers can’t hit period, and Locastro is a pinch runner. Bringing Baty up and moving Escobar to the bench solves a few problems. The platoon DH thing isn’t working and wastes a roster spot, so I don’t think Vogelbach will stick.
 
I would do the following.

Baty up and starting 3b
Vientos your everyday DH

Move escobar to bench
Drop vogelbach or pham.

I would keep Mauricio in minors for another month to see if he continues as pitchers figure hime out. Also make sure he really is improving his patience at the plate.

Then when ready i would move him to 2B and move McNeil to LF and put canha on bench and drop vogel or pham.

But thats just me. I think escobar can be a a good bench piece.

So my final bench would be escobar, canha, guillurme, locastro, nido.

Though i can also see dropping locastro and keeping pham.
 
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Ruggs225 said:
I would do the following.

Baty up and starting 3b
Vientos your everyday DH

Move escobar to bench
Drop vogelbach or pham.

I would keep Mauricio in minors for another month to see if he continues as pitchers figure hime out. Also make sure he really is improving his patience at the plate.

Then when ready i would move him to 2B and move McNeil to LF and put canha on bench and drop vogel or pham.

But thats just me. I think escobar can be a a good bench piece.

So my final bench would be escobar, canha, guillurme, locastro, nido.

Though i can also see dropping locastro and keeping pham.
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Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio are beating the cover off the ball in AAA. Which is great to see. Have to think Eppler is going to use them as his ace in the hole if the Mets start to slide in the standings. It’s a long season and youth injection can add a jolt of energy to the clubhouse.

I think it was right to start with the vets. Only question is how long of a leash do you give them.
 
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Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio are beating the cover off the ball in AAA. Which is great to see. Have to think Eppler is going to use them as his ace in the hole if the Mets start to slide in the standings. It’s a long season and youth injection can add a jolt of energy to the clubhouse.

I think it was right to start with the vets. Only question is how long of a leash do you give them.
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I think it also has to do with contract manipulation and super 2 status.

None of these vets have earned the right to start just because they are vets. But it is what it is.
 
Ruggs225 said:
I think it also has to do with contract manipulation and super 2 status.

None of these vets have earned the right to start just because they are vets. But it is what it is.
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IDK, they didn't do that with Alonso, right? He broke with the club. I think with Uncle Steve, he's more concerned with winning now than what he may or may not have to pay several years down the road (I know Alonso wasn't on his watch but I'd think he'd be more inclined to throw the service time stuff to the wind that Fred Coupons).

I have no attachment to Pham but it seems hard for me to see them moving on from him so quickly. They gave him $6M. I know it was somewhat in response to missing out on Correa and others, but it doesn't seem likely that they'd sign a guy to a $6M deal and then move on from him so quickly, particularly when he has at least been somewhat productive. Steve would swallow the money for sure, but I'm not sure there's a really compelling case to get rid of Pham at this time.

The other part of it is, say that you move out a Vogelbach and a Pham to make room for Vientos and Mauricio--and then the kids show they're not ready. Happens all the time, guys look good in ST and even in AAA, then look overmatched in the majors. So then you're really screwed because whatever depth you had, mediocre as it may have been, is totally depleted.

I know I'm not suggesting solutions, just concerns about potential solutions. LOL.
 
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IDK, they didn't do that with Alonso, right? He broke with the club. I think with Uncle Steve, he's more concerned with winning now than what he may or may not have to pay several years down the road (I know Alonso wasn't on his watch but I'd think he'd be more inclined to throw the service time stuff to the wind that Fred Coupons).

I have no attachment to Pham but it seems hard for me to see them moving on from him so quickly. They gave him $6M. I know it was somewhat in response to missing out on Correa and others, but it doesn't seem likely that they'd sign a guy to a $6M deal and then move on from him so quickly, particularly when he has at least been somewhat productive. Steve would swallow the money for sure, but I'm not sure there's a really compelling case to get rid of Pham at this time.

The other part of it is, say that you move out a Vogelbach and a Pham to make room for Vientos and Mauricio--and then the kids show they're not ready. Happens all the time, guys look good in ST and even in AAA, then look overmatched in the majors. So then you're really screwed because whatever depth you had, mediocre as it may have been, is totally depleted.

I know I'm not suggesting solutions, just concerns about potential solutions. LOL.
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Completely get what your saying and it did come across my mind. There is no easy solution. I guess you just wait for injuries which are bound to happen.

Just infuriating how this is playing out, so predictably. Especially with baty and vientos.

Baty in particular is really getting the screw job.
 
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Ruggs225 said:
Completely get what your saying and it did come across my mind. There is no easy solution. I guess you just wait for injuries which are bound to happen.

Just infuriating how this is playing out, so predictably. Especially with baty and vientos.

Baty in particular is really getting the screw job.
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Yeah, the Baty one is hard to swallow because you know he play play an adequate 3B and the guy currently occupying it has an OPS of like .350 or whatever.

If only Vientos had a position, and if only the Mets had moved Mauricio to the OF a year or so back.
 
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Yeah, the Baty one is hard to swallow because you know he play play an adequate 3B and the guy currently occupying it has an OPS of like .350 or whatever.

If only Vientos had a position, and if only the Mets had moved Mauricio to the OF a year or so back.
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This mets team sort of reminds me of the rangers and the handling of our kid line.

The mets are in win now mode and not a development team.

The mets play vets over Kids because of this and because of large contracts blocking them.

The kids are actually the key to us winning this year but that is not realized yet by management.

The kids are finally given a real chance and become good, but not great but because of this the team is feared because they bring depth throughout the lineup.

I just wish we can skip all the bs and move to the last part. But such is life lol.
 
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Another reason to stick with veterans at the moment is that it is so early in the season. Baty, Vientos, and Mauricio getting at bats every day in AAA is smart.

When they sent down Alvarez, everyone was upset. It took less than 10 games for him to be up in the bigs due to an injury.

If you allow Escobar, Vogelbach, and any other veteran to work through things this month, and most likely into May, you're letting the young guys still get their at bats, instead of likely rotating in and out of the lineup, and if the veterans do turn it around, there is some value there.

Nobody would want Escobar or Vogelbach at the moment. If they start hitting, you could see a team or two step up and give something back in return for them if you want to promote a younger player.

If the Mets farm system was deeper, you could get away with it, but it is still top heavy as players bubble up through the system.

What happens if Baty is hitting .200 and struggling and you let Escobar go? Who is the replacement? I'd love to see the young guys getting a look, but a lot of the time these things settle themselves. Let them continue to rake in AAA while Escobar works his way through this. There is a good player in there. He was fantastic last September, went to the WBC, and hasn't hit the ground running.

If we want to compare this to hockey, playing 13 MLB games is 6 and a half games into the NHL season. I'm not passing judgement until we get 40-50 games into the season. If I'm calling up someone like Baty or Mauricio, it's so they're going to be in the lineup 6 out of every 7 games.
 
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Twins put up 9 in the 1st against the Yanks...what the hell is this bizarro world voodoo
 
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Baty and Mauricio both homered again.

Lucchesi went 6.2 shutout with 2H allowed and 6K. Would be great to get him back in the mix, given how fragile the rest of our staff is (and potentially if Cookie continues to look done).
 
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Baty and Mauricio both homered again.
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And just did it again tonight.

Baty's was a grand slam. He's 2-5 with 5 RBI tonight.

Mauricio is 4-5 with a homer and 3 doubles.

This keeps happening and it won't matter if the vets turn it around. They'll have no choice but to call up Baty or Mauricio.
 
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