2023 Free Agency/UFA Targets

[Geezer WC]

And what history is that?

What players like Laine has Yzerman dealt with? I'm curious how far you are willing to stretch this comparison...

AA.

 

[jkutswings]

AA.

Yeah, I suppose that both AA and Mantha were towards that end of the spectrum. And both got shipped out.

 

[norrisnick]

None, because he avoids them. That’s the point

So a nothing statement with nothing to base it on. Got it...

Keep hoping for more Glendenings to fill up the roster. If we acquire enough 4th liners it'll force the kids with talent into the top 6...

 

[Bench]

So a nothing statement with nothing to base it on. Got it...

Keep hoping for more Glendenings to fill up the roster. If we acquire enough 4th liners it'll force the kids with talent into the top 6...

Are you arguing for Laine in Detroit?

It's really difficult to tell if you just want to dismantle the discussion or if you're sincerely interested in anything constructive at this point.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I'm all for upping the talent, but Laine isn't the target.

He can score, and that's about it.

 

[norrisnick]

I'm all for upping the talent, but Laine isn't the target.

He can score, and that's about it.

Scoring is quite literally what our forward group is missing.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Scoring is quite literally what our forward group is missing.

Correct. 100% agree.

But if that's all he can do? No thanks.

You need to have a player that has a pulse in the game.

 

[norrisnick]

Correct. 100% agree.

But if that's all he can do? No thanks.

You need to have a player that has a pulse in the game.

We have guys with pulses that can't score. Having a guy that scores with no pulse isn't going to be the end of us.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

We have guys with pulses that can't score. Having a guy that scores with no pulse isn't going to be the end of us.

I get it.

What's the cost to get Laine?

 

[norrisnick]

I get it.

What's the cost to get Laine?

Iunno, I'm just voicing in opposition to those that feel Laine is a non-starter regardless. We are chock full of lunchpail character guys and have a dearth of high-end offensive talent. A balance is important. But we are very unbalanced right now.

 

[Ricelund]

I'd take a shot on Laine. People forget he's only 25. He's averaged 35 goals/season.

 

[Bench]

I'd take a shot on Laine. People forget he's only 25. He's averaged 35 goals/season.

I think the resistance comes from the fact Columbus paid a significant price for him and he hasn't lived up to his billing as a top scorer in that time.

Sure, if you're getting him for a discounted value and think he can return to 40 goals, that's a smart option.

But if you're paying the same premium that Columbus did, you're going to have to accept it might end up being a lateral move at best, and at worst Laine never becomes more than his current 30 goal pace with few other upsides.

He's young. He has a great shot. But he has a lot of potential to underwhelm. Way more risk than most guys his age with a 40 goal season.

 

[jaster]

So a nothing statement with nothing to base it on. Got it...

Keep hoping for more Glendenings to fill up the roster. If we acquire enough 4th liners it'll force the kids with talent into the top 6...

You packed three argumentative fallacies into one post, well done.

Sorry you’re not getting what you want out of NHL roster makeup. No need to take it out on me

 

[jkutswings]

Let's try this a different way then.

Say Detroit called about Laine. Provide a rough ballpark for what you think Columbus would ask in return.

 

[Kibe]

Laine is not lazy, he's just not a gritty two way player so his play style has created a myth that he's lazy. He's actually always been a hard worker. Sure he has flaws in his game, but being lazy is not one of them. I doubt he's available anyway so it's all moot.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I don’t think there’s any chance CBJ trades Laine. With Carlsson/Smith their core is set with Laine/Johnson/Gaudreau/Sillinger and Jiricek/Werenski

 

[jaster]

Laine is not lazy, he's just not a gritty two way player so his play style has created a myth that he's lazy. He's actually always been a hard worker. Sure he has flaws in his game, but being lazy is not one of them. I doubt he's available anyway so it's all moot.

Laine himself has admitted in the past that he doesn't work hard enough, so that kinda disrupts the narrative about a myth. Now, recently, there have been media pieces in the past year that have talked about him improving that part of his game, and even becoming a leader in the Columbus locker room. Perhaps he has, and that's great if true. But his reputation for being lazy was originally born of him.... being lazy.

 

[Kibe]

Laine himself has admitted in the past that he doesn't work hard enough, so that kinda disrupts the narrative about a myth. Now, recently, there have been media pieces in the past year that have talked about him improving that part of his game, and even becoming a leader in the Columbus locker room. Perhaps he has, and that's great if true. But his reputation for being lazy was originally born of him.... being lazy.

Maybe the millions in his bank account have made him lazy then. Growing up he was a hard worker.

 

[jaster]

Maybe the millions in his bank account have made him lazy then. Growing up he was a hard worker.

I suspect some part of it, not sure how much, was the environment in Winnipeg. Knowing that their locker room is somewhat of a mess, I guess it's not surprising he may have turned things around in Cbus.

 

[Winger98]

I don’t think there’s any chance CBJ trades Laine. With Carlsson/Smith their core is set with Laine/Johnson/Gaudreau/Sillinger and Jiricek/Werenski

yeah, I'd bet on Columbus giving Laine another couple of years unless something comes up to convince them otherwise.

 

[Frk It]

So a nothing statement with nothing to base it on. Got it...

Keep hoping for more Glendenings to fill up the roster. If we acquire enough 4th liners it'll force the kids with talent into the top 6...

There is at least some trend of guys who were healthy scratches for not playing the right way and/or rumored character concerns that did not last long under Yzerman.

Drouin, DeAngelo, AA, Mantha, Vrana

 

[SirloinUB]

Sign Tarasenko instead.

No trade assets and less baggage. At his point he wouldnt have the same upside but he can still score goals and we need at least 1 top 6 fwd.

 

[SirloinUB]

Trade Berggren and/or wallinder 9th and 41st for Connor.

Sign Tarasenko and Severson.

Grab a 1b type of goalie

Tarasenko Larkin Raymond
Connor Copp Rasmussen
Fabbri Veleno Perron
Kubalik xx/Kasper Zadina


Walman Seider
Ed Severrson
Maatta Chairot

 

[norrisnick]

Sign Tarasenko instead.

No trade assets and less baggage. At his point he wouldnt have the same upside but he can still score goals and we need at least 1 top 6 fwd.

Nope. We don't need a top 6 forward. We have a ton of 2nd liners. We need a top line forward. We have 1 and one in training.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Trade Berggren and/or wallinder 9th and 41st for Connor.

Sign Tarasenko and Severson.

Grab a 1b type of goalie

Tarasenko Larkin Raymond
Connor Copp Rasmussen
Fabbri Veleno Perron
Kubalik xx/Kasper Zadina


Walman Seider
Ed Severrson
Maatta Chairot

Actually not a bad lineup at all. take zadina out and put soderblom there, make that the third line and the veleno one the 4th, and we could have something.

Would much rather just give winnipeg bost 2024 1st than Wallinder/9th this year. Not happy about losing berggren but connor is worth it. (now go out and trade/sign debrincat )