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They just re-upped Toews for 7 more years. We're going full Penguins/Caps with that core.
The suffering will last a long time.
Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread
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The suffering will last a long time.
AvalancheSpeedsters
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If they draft better it might not but yeah so far the track record isn’t great .
The Pens actually drafted really well in the e early teens. So will be hard to draft better than them.
Mighty Makar
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I'm not saying it's completely shut... But it might be completely shut. Certainly appears to be closing quickly.
Pretty crazy how Cmac turned an absolute juggernaut into whatever shit we have in front of us now, in such a quick time span. I’m actually kind of impressed.
Honestly, this progression was easy to see coming… the cap, aging, and contract issues with a few mistakes leads to this.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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I think most of us knew there was going to be some significant pains coming up with how the contracts lined up. I think that they needed to commit earlier, while everyone was on their cheaper contract, that was the time to go all in.
And why some of us have screamed to go all in for years. Including being upset at last years ole. Windows are always shorter than people think and can slam shut. We don’t know if it is shut today, but if this team fails and the commitments made to a number of guys, it’ll be hard to come back. The new guys, Byram, Toews, Nuke, and the stars all need to be a step or three better.
Started with the albatross Manson contract, which rolled down hill to the horrific Ryjo transaction. 8.5 million dollars spent on garbage, which otherwise could have been used on a legit #2C.
Then another 4 million used on a #3C…who actually can’t play center.
12.5 million dollars…the cap isn’t even a good excuse.
dahrougem2
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I mean there's definitely a way out of this. It just takes a complete mortgaging of your future which, given the contracts we've signed you might as well go all in and trade 1sts in the next couple of years along with players like Olausson, Behrens, Gulyayev, and NHLers like Girard.
The Avs won’t do that though… we know they won’t trade it all. And they are tied to Colton/RyJo for at least the season.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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I still like the Colton and Wood additions. That third line hasn’t been productive, but they’ve shown in quite a few shifts the type of chaos they can create which will be big for the playoffs.
I was hoping that the RyJo, Drouin and Tatar pickups would work out better than they have so far.
Definitely feels like the team needs to add some high IQ guys that still have good drive to them.
I was hoping that the RyJo, Drouin and Tatar pickups would work out better than they have so far.
Definitely feels like the team needs to add some high IQ guys that still have good drive to them.
dahrougem2
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I'm not saying they will. I certainly would, and I think GMs are too risk averse in general because the shelf life of GMs isn't a decade-plus the way these guys operate thinking they have lifetime jobs.
If they wanted to, though, they could get out of this and improve the team fast. It'd just take a real mortgaging of the future in 2024, 2025 and 2026.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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I’m hoping that we can find a longer term 2C that can also take on RyJo as a cap dump.
Wood is a 4th liner paid and playing on the 3rd line. That contract will be a disaster. Colton hasn’t played center well either. Chaos can be fun, but we need production.
Definitely remember the times when the 3rd line chaos’ed our way to the cup in 2022.
Who needs actual offensive production when you can have chaos. Maybe a little Ryan Reeves can be thrown in there during the TDL for good measure.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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Considering Vegas just won a cup with their bottom lines employing that strategy…but hey, you only show up when things are going bad, so who knows if you even know what success is.
Also, the days of touting the bonafides of our pro-scouting group are long gone. Just over two off-seasons of terrifyingly bad assessments. Somehow… they’re now almost as incompetent as our amateur scouting staff.
FWIW I think Colton will end up being a solid player for us. I dont even think he was really an issue tonight.
Though with that being said, he might be a solid winger for us rather then Center... In which case that is yet another $4M spent on the wing and not down the middle.
They have GOT to figure out the Center depth. It is quickly becoming a sink or swim situation. And people here laughed off the significance of a quality 2C for the longest time but we are seeing first hand the result of poor Center depth right now.
If it were me... I'd be doing whatever it takes to get Lindholm here I think.
Though with that being said, he might be a solid winger for us rather then Center... In which case that is yet another $4M spent on the wing and not down the middle.
They have GOT to figure out the Center depth. It is quickly becoming a sink or swim situation. And people here laughed off the significance of a quality 2C for the longest time but we are seeing first hand the result of poor Center depth right now.
If it were me... I'd be doing whatever it takes to get Lindholm here I think.
Oh, you mean the 3rd line that consisted of noted chaos agents like Reily Smith and William Karlson? Who casually have multiple 20-30 goal seasons between the both of them? You got me there oh great mod.
Smith and Karlson have always been on their top 2 lines, so I have no idea what you're saying here. Which they've had since the expansion draft and got for free.
They were on the 3rd line for Vegas last year. Eichel is the top line and Stephenson is the 2nd.
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