Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

[Mr Rogers]

Zegras is by far the most intriguing young player this camp for me. Last year, he didn't seem to get stronger and faster at all. wonder if it's gonna be more of the same this year.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

There exists a reality where Carlsson is both ready to play in the NHL and not yet ready to be a top 6 center

Then you add the context that we're still in the middle of a rebuild. If we want Carlsson to have a chance to displacing Zegras at center, then we should be grooming Carlsson as a top-6C. Carlsson played center only at international events and it would benefit Carlsson playing center on NA ice as well as NA play with top-6C minutes.

I'd adhere to PV's comment of "preferring an overripen prospect" than a fringe prospect playing limited minutes at the NHL level.

 

[Kalv]

Zegras is by far the most intriguing young player this camp for me. Last year, he didn't seem to get stronger and faster at all. wonder if it's gonna be more of the same this year.

I think the pictures I've seen he's with a bit better physical stature. Nothing crazy, but along with Pat's focus on the player's strength, I'm quite optimistic Zegras has been working on it.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I think the pictures I've seen he's with a bit better physical stature. Nothing crazy, but along with Pat's focus on the player's strength, I'm quite optimistic Zegras has been working on it.

We did see he was working specifically with Prentice, doing an explosive leg exercise.

 

[DavidBL]

Everyone see that Sanderson deal? I just don't get it. His rookie season wasn't much different than Drysdales except a year older and was only a -6 but given the Ducks defensive system not sure how much stock I'd put in that.

 

[Sean Garrity]

Everyone see that Sanderson deal? I just don't get it. His rookie season wasn't much different than Drysdales except a year older and was only a -6 but given the Ducks defensive system not sure how much stock I'd put in that.

Definitely seems premature and a risk/reward type of play. He's not an 8 million dollar player today, but he's probably a 5.5/6 IF he never progresses, which obviously he likely will.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Everyone see that Sanderson deal? I just don't get it. His rookie season wasn't much different than Drysdales except a year older and was only a -6 but given the Ducks defensive system not sure how much stock I'd put in that.

They're trying to buy value later on

 

[DavidBL]

They're trying to buy value later on

Sure but that's a heck of a risk after 1 year. Especially with 2 other high end LD already on the team.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Everyone see that Sanderson deal? I just don't get it. His rookie season wasn't much different than Drysdales except a year older and was only a -6 but given the Ducks defensive system not sure how much stock I'd put in that.

Sanderson played all three aspects of the game: ES, PP, and PK. Sanderson has 17 pp points (2g +15a). Drysdale only plays ES and PP.

About Sanderson's season, per ESPN:

Sanderson finished with four goals and 32 points in 77 games and parlayed his two-way potential into showing he could be trusted in multiple situations. He was second on the team in average ice time at 21:55 per contest behind alternate captain and defenseman Thomas Chabot.​

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His impact was felt throughout the lineup, as he led the team in short-handed ice time at 252:36, according to Natural Stat Trick. He also was second on the team in 5-on-5 minutes and was second among defensemen in power-play ice time, with Chabot being first.​

Drysdale (full rookie season): ATOI = 19:55, CF% (ES) = 47.0%, OZ start = 52.7%, and -26 rating
Sanderson: ATOI = 21:55, CF% (ES) = 51.9%, OZ start = 45.2%, and -6 rating

Sanderson has shown more defensive prowess than Drysdale as well as plays on the PK unit. Sens are banking there is still more growth available and that he'll be cheaper at $8 mil AAV going into the future.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Sure but that's a heck of a risk after 1 year. Especially with 2 other high end LD already on the team.

I agree with you, but there's more to the picture than PPG. He's bigger than Drysdale, played more minutes, had better analytics, etc.

 

[DavidBL]

I agree with you, but there's more to the picture than PPG. He's bigger than Drysdale, played more minutes, had better analytics, etc.

That's fair. But is it enough to go from the 2 mill bridge deal we'd anticipate for Drysdale to 8 mill that Sanderson got? I've read a lot of the MB and apparently they feel he's already their number 1 D. Seems very comparable to Lindholm who just got 6.5. If Sanderson never breaks 50 pts I think they lost that bet.

 

[All Mighty]

That's fair. But is it enough to go from the 2 mill bridge deal we'd anticipate for Drysdale to 8 mill that Sanderson got? I've read a lot of the MB and apparently they feel he's already their number 1 D. Seems very comparable to Lindholm who just got 6.5. If Sanderson never breaks 50 pts I think they lost that bet.

I think Lindholm is a good player comparable, but I also think it's important to remember that Lindholm is likely underpaid and the cap is all but assured to be rising significantly in the coming years. Taking both of those factors into account, $8M AAV is fair (maybe slightly rich), but that's assuming he continues to get better and reach Lindholm's level. It's definitely a risk, but I can at least see the logic behind it.

As an aside, that kind of "overpayment" is probably what it would take to sign Zegras to an 8 year deal right now. I'm sure Zegras would only accept an 8 year deal with an AAV that people raise their eyebrows over and question if he's actually worth that.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

I think Lindholm is a good player comparable, but I also think it's important to remember that Lindholm is likely underpaid and the cap is all but assured to be rising significantly in the coming years. Taking both of those factors into account, $8M AAV is fair (maybe slightly rich), but that's assuming he continues to get better and reach Lindholm's level. It's definitely a risk, but I can at least see the logic behind it.

As an aside, that kind of "overpayment" is probably what it would take to sign Zegras to an 8 year deal right now. I'm sure Zegras would only accept an 8 year deal with an AAV that people raise their eyebrows over and question if he's actually worth that.

I was kinda hoping that zegras would get that eyebrow raising contract long term.

He’s much better than people give him credit for and I think he’d easily earn that contract.

Now ya kinda risking losing zegras eventually. especially if the team continues to struggle to play well. Personally I think the ducks over the next few years should be thinking about how to keep zegras as a career duck because this core will need him.

 

[All Mighty]

They have updated/added some numbers on the Ducks' roster page:

#26 - Andrew Agozzino
#41 - Nathan Gaucher
#75 - Judd Caufield
#69 - Chase de Leo
#83 - Jaxsen Wiebe
#54 - Trevor Carrick

McTavish is listed with no number attached to his name.

NOTE: It looks like only players with NHL contracts are listed on the site, so guys like Myatovic, Terrance, Pitre, etc. are not on there, even though they will likely be at camp.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

#69 - Chase de Leo

Sorry, had to.

 

[MMC]

They have updated/added some numbers on the Ducks' roster page:

#41 - Nathan Gaucher
#75 - Judd Caufield
#69 - Chase de Leo
#83 - Jaxsen Wiebe
#54 - Trevor Carrick

McTavish is listed with no number attached to his name.

 

[All Mighty]

Wow I must have just checked at the perfect time.

 

[Arthuros]

I'm just happy he kept it a prime number. Cause I'm superstitious like that.

 

[McDonald19]

Eww..Sam Steel’s number.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

Eww..Sam Steel’s number.

The disrespect of choosing a number that's bound for the rafters smh

 

[anezthes]

Eww..Sam Steel’s number.

Didn't Sam wear #23 to honour his late brother?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Didn't Sam wear #23 to honour his late brother?

That's what I remember too. A google search doesn't bring it up. Steel went from 34 to 23.

 

[All Mighty]

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

That's what I remember too. A google search doesn't bring it up. Steel went from 34 to 23.

He couldnt decide between Shaq and his brother, but ultimately he made the right call

 

[KelVarnsen]

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Ducks need to cancel any association with this piss poor run organization. I don't want any Angels bad mojo wearing off on the Ducks. At least until Arte is no longer around.