2023-24 Roster Thread #6: A Hall of Famer, a doctor, a policeman and a moose walk into a bar with a Bundy...

[renberg]

A team is what their record says that they are. I don’t care about out shooting an opponent if they don’t out score them. I don’t care about entry percentage if it doesn’t mean quality scoring opportunities.
This team does not have many guys that can bury a shot. Their play in the offensive zone is all on the periphery. The offense lacks strategy to score. They take far too many shots that have little to no chance of going into the net along with few guys that are able to dig up rebounds and bang them into the goal. It’s why this club stinks.

 

[deadhead]

A team is what their record says that they are. I don’t care about out shooting an opponent if they don’t out score them. I don’t care about entry percentage if it doesn’t mean quality scoring opportunities.
This team does not have many guys that can bury a shot. Their play in the offensive zone is all on the periphery. The offense lacks strategy to score. They take far too many shots that have little to no chance of going into the net along with few guys that are able to dig up rebounds and bang them into the goal. It’s why this club stinks.

Have you looked at the heat maps?

xGF% is an aggregate measure of scoring chances for and against, they also do quite well on High Danger Scoring Chances, HDCF% 6th in the NHL and SCF% 7th.

7th in HDCF/60, 12th in SCF/60, so they're not just firing away, or playing conservatively. They're generating high danger scoring chances, but their Sh% on those chances is 15th, middle of the pack.
However, they're 30th in Sv% on HDCA, so that's obviously a killer.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's a Tortorella team. Get back deep on defense, try to take one direct and straightforward drive at the net in transition if it's there, otherwise safety comes first and when settled in an offensive cycle's chief purpose is to keep the other team from scoring more than scoring for yourself. Those are the driving concepts. These have been his values going back to NYR, where I watched a lot of him for the same reasons I had to stare at way too much AV hockey.

 

[freakydallas13]

Have you looked at the heat maps?

xGF% is an aggregate measure of scoring chances for and against, they also do quite well on High Danger Scoring Chances, HDCF% 6th in the NHL and SCF% 7th.

7th in HDCF/60, 12th in SCF/60, so they're not just firing away, or playing conservatively. They're generating high danger scoring chances, but their Sh% on those chances is 15th, middle of the pack.
However, they're 30th in Sv% on HDCA, so that's obviously a killer.

Dave Hakstol

 

[deadhead]

It's a Tortorella team. Get back deep on defense, try to take one direct and straightforward drive at the net in transition if it's there, otherwise safety comes first and when settled in an offensive cycle's chief purpose is to keep the other team from scoring more than scoring for yourself. Those are the driving concepts. These have been his values going back to NYR, where I watched a lot of him for the same reasons I had to stare at way too much AV hockey.

That's funny, b/c his teams in NY dominated creating high danger scoring chances, "safety comes first?":
2009-10: Rangers - 1st in HDCF/60
2010-11: Rangers - 1st in HDCF/60
2011-12: Rangers - 1st in HDCF/60
2012-13: Rangers - 1st in HDCF/60
2015-16: CBJ - 3rd in HDCF/60
2016-17: CBJ - 3rd in HDCF/60
2017-18: CBJ - 10th in HDCF/60
2018-19: CBJ - 15th in HDCF/60
2019-20: CBJ - 29th in HDCF/60
2020-21: CBJ - 30th in HDCF/60

2020-21: PHL - 26th in HDCF/60
2021-22: PHL - 27th in HDCF/60
2022-23: PHL - 24th in HDCF/60
2023-24: PHL - 9th in HDCF/60

The weird thing is the dropoff in CBJ after they added Panarin.
When the team had less talent, they played a more aggressive style.
The last two seasons in CBJ, the idiot GM had stripped the team of talent.

 

[Starat327]

Dave Hakstol

 

[Tripod]

Were they rebuilding when they extended Risto? Of course not, since the FO refused to even mention the word, Scott said they were "aggressively reloading."

What happened before Briere/Torts is meaningless, unless you want to sell me your tinfoil hat "ole bois" conspiracy theories.

Says the guy who consistently brings up Hextall while Fletch made 1 mistake.

Hypocrite

 

[renberg]

Have you looked at the heat maps?

Have you looked at the scoreboard?

 

[FlyerNutter]

old boy conspiracies.

Haha I mean. Considering it’s the same old pigs since the dawn of time it’s crazy huh.

No wonder colleges are a joke today

 

[Starat327]

old boy conspiracies.

Haha I mean. Considering it’s the same old pigs since the dawn of time it’s crazy huh.

No wonder colleges are a joke today

If only they had better RAs...

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's funny, b/c his teams in NY dominated creating high danger scoring chances, "safety comes first?":
2009-10: Rangers - 1st in HDCF/60
2010-11: Rangers - 1st in HDCF/60
2011-12: Rangers - 1st in HDCF/60
2012-13: Rangers - 1st in HDCF/60
2015-16: CBJ - 3rd in HDCF/60
2016-17: CBJ - 3rd in HDCF/60
2017-18: CBJ - 10th in HDCF/60
2018-19: CBJ - 15th in HDCF/60
2019-20: CBJ - 29th in HDCF/60
2020-21: CBJ - 30th in HDCF/60

2020-21: PHL - 26th in HDCF/60
2021-22: PHL - 27th in HDCF/60
2022-23: PHL - 24th in HDCF/60
2023-24: PHL - 9th in HDCF/60

The weird thing is the dropoff in CBJ after they added Panarin.
When the team had less talent, they played a more aggressive style.
The last two seasons in CBJ, the idiot GM had stripped the team of talent.

Then you compare it to the actual goals scored, and the production isn't there. As it turns out, despising east/west passed and going straight at the net isn't hard to make saves on. It'll produce these stats you pick out, but not the goals.

You always love cherrypicking single stats, and ignoring everything else. I know you weren't in the habit of watching the Rangers then. I was! I had friends I talked hockey with a lot, and their teams were the Caps and Rangers, and we all watched each other's teams to have common discussion fodder. There's a reason I've been vigorously opposing hiring Tortorella since Lavi was fired and people would pine for him.

This may explain why you've been constantly wrong about Tortorella. You've dreamed up this fictional version of him and then misuse statistics and destroy any context needed to try and make reality conform to your dream.

 

[Flyer lurker]

 

[Curufinwe]

Brian the lead paint sniffer.

That’s a post for the septic tank thread…

 

[Starat327]

Bill turning face from his heel days was not something I expected to see in my lifetime.

 

[BillDineen]

So those giving credit to Torts for their playing better, is it Torts fault for younger guys like Tippett, Cates, Foerster and Frost underperforming?

 

[Starat327]

So those giving credit to Torts for their playing better, is it Torts fault for younger guys like Tippett, Cates, Foerster and Frost underperforming?

Of course not. Thats Hextalls fault.

 

[deadhead]

So those giving credit to Torts for their playing better, is it Torts fault for younger guys like Tippett, Cates, Foerster and Frost underperforming?

Underperforming?

Scoring is stochastic, which is why people created advanced metrics, to get a better feel for a player's actual performance.

 

[trostol]

still aren't rebuilding

 

[Sombastate]

We have to lead the league in "Day-To-Day" injuries turning into "Season at Risk" injuries

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Ghosts Beer]

So those giving credit to Torts for their playing better, is it Torts fault for younger guys like Tippett, Cates, Foerster and Frost underperforming?

In your opinion, does Torts deserve credit for *anything* since taking over?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

#rebuildcomplete..

 

[bennysflyers16]

Zero to do with 2 absolute Neanderthals running the PP as coaches.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Brian the lead paint sniffer.

That’s a post for the septic tank thread…

He definitely posts here and is on my ignore list

 

[deadhead]

The biggest problem to me on the PP is the lack of a PP QB, Sanheim just doesn't cut it for me, he's got no wiggle, he's not good at finding the open lane to get the puck on net or hit someone on the stick on a set up, and he likes to blast away with slapshots with poor accuracy.

York seems like he's still learning on the job. He's got better short area agility, but he looks like he's not sure what he's doing - probably adjusting to the speed of NHL PK guys - they don't give you as much time to sit there and survey the ice.

Frost is still learning how to do clean entries, Foerster lacks confidence, and so on.

Eventually, York and Brink will be the key players on the PP, they need a net front presence, and adding Gauthier will help next year.