2023-24 Roster Thread #6: A Hall of Famer, a doctor, a policeman and a moose walk into a bar with a Bundy...

[Beef Invictus]

It is endlessly entertaining to read the complaints about how they don’t have transition Forwards when some of us have been saying it was alarmingly de-prioritized for a good 4+ years. Please don’t read this as I told you so. I don’t give a shit about that. It’s the pattern of denying these things are happening in real time and then acting surprised and treating it as a key observation when they can’t dig out of the grave that they openly dug.

Basically, please have an ounce of self awareness. That would be lovely. Thank you for your time.

De-prioritized is putting it lightly. From top to bottom they demonstrated open scorn of such things. When players possessed such skills they'd describe them as a thing that needs to be "fixed."

Those people are still in charge.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Closer to a decade, I'd think.

You defended it and insisted none of it was a mistake or a development error. We brought it up as a point of critique numerous times and you defended.

Are you changing your mind?

 

[deadhead]

De-prioritized is putting it lightly. From top to bottom they demonstrated open scorn of such things. When players possessed such skills they'd describe them as a thing that needs to be "fixed."

Those people are still in charge.

Who is "those people."

Flahr drafted Brink
Briere/Flahr drafted Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak, traded for Rizzo.

They've recognized the need for more speed and skill, Tippett, Poehling certainly have speed.
Torts definitely values speed over size.
York, Andrae, Bonk are all mobile, puck handling D-men. So is Walker who they picked up. And Grans.

Like baseball, it takes time to turn a franchise around in the NHL, 3-5 years from draft to NHL for most players who do make it.

 

[BiggE]

Hmmm

They unloaded Ghost, Jake and Giroux and got back no one that has any business playing on a top pp unit.

It’s basically comedy at this point. The only thing that’s making me laugh even harder is that they, a bottom 10 (probably 5) NHL team, has to use LTIR to carry a spare Dman.

Can’t grasp the importance of the pp, have no clue what it means to weaponize cap space, and don’t get me started on their method for hiring coaches and developmental staff.

Be a f***ing flyer!

 

[dragonoffrost]

Hmmm

They unloaded Ghost, Jake and Giroux and got back no one that has any business playing on a top pp unit.

It’s basically comedy at this point. The only thing that’s making me laugh even harder is that they, a bottom 10 (probably 5) NHL team, has to use LTIR to carry a spare Dman.

Can’t grasp the importance of the pp, have no clue what it means to weaponize cap space, and don’t get me started on their method for hiring coaches and developmental staff.

Be a f***ing flyer!

But yet there are signs of improvement.....

According to some

 

[Rebels57]

Hmmm

They unloaded Ghost, Jake and Giroux and got back no one that has any business playing on a top pp unit.

It’s basically comedy at this point. The only thing that’s making me laugh even harder is that they, a bottom 10 (probably 5) NHL team, has to use LTIR to carry a spare Dman.

Can’t grasp the importance of the pp, have no clue what it means to weaponize cap space, and don’t get me started on their method for hiring coaches and developmental staff.

Be a f***ing flyer!

Just wait until Rocky Thompson gets promoted to head coach, despite a historically bad Powerplay, once Torts moves into his lifetime executive role.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Who is "those people."

Flahr drafted Brink
Briere/Flahr drafted Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak, traded for Rizzo.

They've recognized the need for more speed and skill, Tippett, Poehling certainly have speed.
Torts definitely values speed over size.
York, Andrae, Bonk are all mobile, puck handling D-men. So is Walker who they picked up. And Grans.

Like baseball, it takes time to turn a franchise around in the NHL, 3-5 years from draft to NHL for most players who do make it.

Now include everything else you left out.

 

[deadhead]

Hmmm

They unloaded Ghost, Jake and Giroux and got back no one that has any business playing on a top pp unit.

It’s basically comedy at this point. The only thing that’s making me laugh even harder is that they, a bottom 10 (probably 5) NHL team, has to use LTIR to carry a spare Dman.

Can’t grasp the importance of the pp, have no clue what it means to weaponize cap space, and don’t get me started on their method for hiring coaches and developmental staff.

Be a f***ing flyer!

Ghost was the PP QB for an Arizona PP (2021-22) as bad as the current Flyers. that was with Keller, Kessel and Schmaltz.

Ellis is permanent LTIR, it's just a matter of timing.
The cap issues were inherited, and will be gone next season - $19M projected, $52m two years from now.
2024-25: Walker the only UFA of merit, Hart, Tippet, Brink and Zamula RFA
2025-26: TK the only UFA of merit, Cates, Frost, Foerster, York, RFAs

Peterson could be bought out next years at a $3.3M saving (and $1.7M in 2025-26).

 

[Magua]

They unloaded Ghost, Jake and Giroux and got back no one that has any business playing on a top pp unit.

They did get Yandle.

 

[Curufinwe]

Ghost was the PP QB for an Arizona PP (2021-22) as bad as the current Flyers. that was with Keller, Kessel and Schmaltz.

Ghost scored 4.88 PPP/60 that season and led the Coyotes with 19 PPP, as many as Keller and Schmaltz combined. So the team's PP struggles weren't on him. And when did Nick Schmaltz become a guy to base a top PP unit around?

The cap issues were inherited, and will be gone next season

Not next season, or the season after that.​

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[Beef Invictus]

Ghost was the PP QB for an Arizona PP (2021-22) as bad as the current Flyers. that was with Keller, Kessel and Schmaltz.

Ellis is permanent LTIR, it's just a matter of timing.
The cap issues were inherited, and will be gone next season - $19M projected, $52m two years from now.
2024-25: Walker the only UFA of merit, Hart, Tippet, Brink and Zamula RFA
2025-26: TK the only UFA of merit, Cates, Frost, Foerster, York, RFAs

Peterson could be bought out next years at a $3.3M saving (and $1.7M in 2025-26).

Truly, PP's are composed of a single player.


I don't believe you actually but into this dishonest, bad-faith slop. We all know you're just mad at Ghost for making Fletcher look stupid.

 

[Curufinwe]

They did get Yandle.

KY had 11 PPP in 77 games and he was on the ice for seven short handed goals, half of which he caused directly.

 

[deadhead]

Truly, PP's are composed of a single player.


I don't believe you actually but into this dishonest, bad-faith slop. We all know you're just mad at Ghost for making Fletcher look stupid.

You wouldn't want Keller or Schmaltz? Kessel was an elite PP scorer on the Pens a couple years before.

 

[Magua]

I’m drawing a blank.

 

[Curufinwe]

You wouldn't want Keller or Schmaltz? Kessel was an elite PP scorer on the Pens a couple years before.

What is this sudden obsession with Schmaltz? His career high for a season in PPP is 13.

Fun comparison of the PP QB Chuck shipped out in 2021 versus the one he brought in:

Ghost: 22 PP GF, 2 SH GA

Yandle: 15 PP GF, 7 SH GA

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[Audible Velvet]

I’m drawing a blank.

Oooh, ooh! (Hand raised)

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’m drawing a blank.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You wouldn't want Keller or Schmaltz? Kessel was an elite PP scorer on the Pens a couple years before.

Yes Truly Kessel in Arizona with Ghost was the exact same thing as Kessel in 2016. What with his *checks notes* EIGHT goals in 82 games.

Do you even know what you're trying to do here or are you saying random stuff and hoping it comes together?

 

[DancingPanther]

It is endlessly entertaining to read the complaints about how they don’t have transition Forwards when some of us have been saying it was alarmingly de-prioritized for a good 4+ years. Please don’t read this as I told you so. I don’t give a shit about that. It’s the pattern of denying these things are happening in real time and then acting surprised and treating it as a key observation when they can’t dig out of the grave that they openly dug.

Basically, please have an ounce of self awareness. That would be lovely. Thank you for your time.

"[Lyksell] wants to play a possession game and turn back with the puck at times. It was a habit that he had to break" - Flahr

 

[freakydallas13]

You wouldn't want Keller or Schmaltz? Kessel was an elite PP scorer on the Pens a couple years before.

Ghost was an elite PP scorer a couple years before as well, and you are here arguing how useless he was that year.

 

[deadhead]

What is this sudden obsession with Schmaltz? His career high for a season in PPP is 13.

Fun comparison of the PP QB Chuck shipped out in 2021 versus the one he brought in:

Ghost: 22 PP GF, 2 SH GA

Yandle: 15 PP GF, 7 SH GA

NHL Stats

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www.nhl.com

Maybe if he had a better PP QB . . ..

2019-20 was the last good Flyers Pp
Provorov 32 PP GF, 4 SH GA, xGF/60: 6.07
Ghost 11 PP GF, 4 SH GA, xGF/60: 6.28

2020-21:
Provorov 17 PP GF, 2 SH GA, xGF/60: 6.16
Ghost 11 PP GF, 2 SH GA, xGF/60: 7.45

2021-22:
Yandle 15 PP, 7 SH GA, xGF/60: 7.41
Provorov 11 PP, 0 SH GA, xGF/60: 5.83

2022-23:
TDA 27 PP, 6 SH GA, xGF/60: 6.46

Ghost
2021-22: 22 PP GA, 2 SH GA, xGF/60: 6.08
2022-23: 22 PP GA, 0 SH GA, xGF/60: 7.38
2023-24: 11 PP GA, 1 SH GA, xGF/60: 6.86

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[deadhead]

And here I was thinking they were knee pads.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I’m drawing a blank.

Oh God no. Hope Jones and Torts don’t seem this

Who in the bloody hell is this?

 

[Curufinwe]

I’m drawing a blank.

Anyone have the picture of that weird sign they put up during the Lecavalier era? Something about doing things the Flyer way or you don't get ice time, we don't care who you are.