2023-24 Roster Thread #6: A Hall of Famer, a doctor, a policeman and a moose walk into a bar with a Bundy...

[FlyerNutter]

I don't disagree that Comcast, or whoever, wants to hang on to that segment of the fanbase. Thing is, even the old school, die hard types understand wins and losses. They may get riled up over the summer with the messaging, signing gritty veterans, and what have you, but building a team that way is a losing venture in today's game. They might not understand why, hell, they may think we need even more of that, but as the losses continue the cheers will turn to boos eventually. This org would be wise to try to attract a new generation of fans, but it honestly seems like they just don't care. Or just don't get it.

They don’t care about new fans. Frankly even what I would peg as “newer fans”

I’m 32, I don’t see anything to try to market to my age bracket. It’s not right, I know that - but increasingly am frustrated at that older portion of the fanbase.

Their support of this bullshit is ruining my generations team. I’d love to have a modern day Clarke, whoever - to get behind. We had Giroux - and what a pathetic end to his tenure they allowed to happen.

I’d love to see Comcast address someone that isn’t cheering for alumni nights every month.

 

[Rich Nixon]

They don’t care about new fans. Frankly even what I would peg as “newer fans”

I’m 32, I don’t see anything to try to market to my age bracket. It’s not right, I know that - but increasingly am frustrated at that older portion of the fanbase.

Their support of this bullshit is ruining my generations team. I’d love to have a modern day Clarke, whoever - to get behind. We had Giroux - and what a pathetic end to his tenure they allowed to happen.

I’d love to see Comcast address someone that isn’t cheering for alumni nights every month.

Same age (33) and I concur. Their entire strategy seems to be aimed at re-engaging a dying 50+ year old season ticket holder base. Maybe that makes sense for them financially—you and I probably won't be able to afford seasons anytime soon.

But do they even have like, a fan pipeline? I grew up with Lindros and Leclair and perennial playoff appearances. I was 7 when they went to the Finals and a fan for life from that. Think of someone who was 7 in 2010 and is 20 now. Let alone younger. What reason has the franchise given any youngster to follow them in the interim? They've fallen hard and are at risk of essenrtially losing an entire generation of Philly sports fans.

And this isn't just a marketing thing, it's very much the philosophy behind the product on the ice, and that's a problem. Be a f***ing Flyer! Whatever.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Same age (33) and I concur. Their entire strategy seems to be aimed at re-engaging a dying 50+ year old season ticket holder base. Maybe that makes sense for them financially—you and I probably won't be able to afford seasons anytime soon.

But do they even have like, a fan pipeline? I grew up with Lindros and Leclair and perennial playoff appearances. I was 7 when they went to the Finals and a fan for life from that. Think of someone who was 7 in 2010 and is 20 now. Let alone younger. What reason has the franchise given any youngster to follow them in the interim? They've fallen hard and are at risk of essenrtially losing an entire generation of Philly sports fans.

And this isn't just a marketing thing, it's very much the philosophy behind the product on the ice that's the problem. Be a f***ing Flyer! Whatever.

Correct.

I mean I get some of the distaste toward Gritty, but what did you want Camillo to market here? There isn’t a real exciting star player in sight for a decade outside of an aging Giroux. They ran with Hayes because there was nothing else.

I don’t know but this has Buffalo vibes all around it, and Matvei somehow doesn’t give a vibe that he’s going to take it so willingly up the ass like Giroux.

 

[Redpath]

They don’t care about new fans. Frankly even what I would peg as “newer fans”

I’m 32, I don’t see anything to try to market to my age bracket. It’s not right, I know that - but increasingly am frustrated at that older portion of the fanbase.

Their support of this bullshit is ruining my generations team. I’d love to have a modern day Clarke, whoever - to get behind. We had Giroux - and what a pathetic end to his tenure they allowed to happen.

I’d love to see Comcast address someone that isn’t cheering for alumni nights every month.

In your opinion, what does marketing to a 32 year old actually constitute?

The whole "New Era of Orange" thing is at least building on the Flyers-of-the-past thing (Marketing to the older generation of fans) while reminding prospective younger fans/new fans that the team is rebuilding to greatness, so get on board and enjoy the new era.

I know there is going to be contention about the actual merits of the "rebuild," but that is a Hockey Ops question, not a marketing one.

There are a ton of completely non-hockey related promotional nights this season. Would those not be catering to new fans who would be drawn in by that promotion?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

If this is the case, it speaks to further incompetence.

Do you see any issue with the way Frost has been handled to date?

Nope. I do not care.

Frost is invisible 90% of the time.

He doesn’t offer anything but offense, & his offense isn’t special: Rather, it’s inconsistent, comes against weak opponents, & he isn’t even an asset on the power play.

His low-pace, East-West, lightweight peripheral game does not fit the team’s style of play, & he’s not good enough to create an exception.

So I could not care less if they scratch him.

 

[wasup]

Nope. I do not care.

Frost is invisible 90% of the time.

He doesn’t offer anything but offense, & his offense isn’t special: Rather, it’s inconsistent, comes against weak opponents, & he isn’t even an asset on the power play.

His low-pace, East-West, lightweight peripheral game does not fit the team’s style of play, & he’s not good enough to create an exception.

So I could not care less if they scratch him.

Holy crap buddy . You are in the same category as a bag of hammers with comments like this .

 

[Rebels57]

This is why Torts hasn't made Couturier or Laughton captain. He doesn't want any player with enough authority to call him out on his BS.

And they only have one Alternate....

2023-2024	NHL		Scott Laughton
2022-2023	NHL		Kevin Hayes Scott Laughton Ivan Provorov Sean Couturier
2021-2022	NHL	Claude Giroux	Sean Couturier Kevin Hayes Ivan Provorov
2020-2021	NHL	Claude Giroux	Sean Couturier Kevin Hayes Ivan Provorov
2019-2020	NHL	Claude Giroux	Jakub Voracek Sean Couturier Kevin Hayes

Who needs a Captain when you have a God Emperor / Spiritual Leader?

 

[freakydallas13]

Same age (33) and I concur. Their entire strategy seems to be aimed at re-engaging a dying 50+ year old season ticket holder base. Maybe that makes sense for them financially—you and I probably won't be able to afford seasons anytime soon.

It is quite clear that this team's brain trust of advisers doesn't give even the slightest bit about the younger generation of fans.

 

[flyersnorth]

Nope. I do not care.

Frost is invisible 90% of the time.

He doesn’t offer anything but offense, & his offense isn’t special: Rather, it’s inconsistent, comes against weak opponents, & he isn’t even an asset on the power play.

His low-pace, East-West, lightweight peripheral game does not fit the team’s style of play, & he’s not good enough to create an exception.

So I could not care less if they scratch him.

Would you say Frost is an everyday NHLer? This is a guy who put up 19 goals, and this team needs goal scoring. He's also a very good playmaker.

I understand the realities of roster construction under Torts, and the 4th line is basically untouchable - but would it not be reasonable to scratch Foerster or Poehling or Tippett or Deslauriers every once in a while to get Frost into a more regular rotation? He has scratched Poehling already, so it's not completely immutable.

It feels like Torts has decided Frost does not fit the roster he wants to build, and that's fine - he's the coach and gets paid to make those decisions. It also feels excessively punitive - the same way that Frost was scratched in his hometown, and ditto for Sanheim.

I think Torts has a lot of great qualities, but he also has blindspots like all of us do.

 

[freakydallas13]

Nope. I do not care.

Frost is invisible 90% of the time.

He doesn’t offer anything but offense, & his offense isn’t special: Rather, it’s inconsistent, comes against weak opponents, & he isn’t even an asset on the power play.

His low-pace, East-West, lightweight peripheral game does not fit the team’s style of play, & he’s not good enough to create an exception.

So I could not care less if they scratch him.

"I don't care if the coach treats players I don't like poorly" is something I don't really get behind, disagreements on Frost aside.

As least we can put the "Torts is a fair coach who everyone loves" nonsense to rest I guess.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's pure insanity that you had to take the time to type this out when it should be common knowledge.

Defense of the Flyers requires that you manufacture ignorance. You have to ignore the things that have happened or just make stuff up.

 

[freakydallas13]

Imagine thinking the team with the worst points % in the east has 12 better forwards than their leading scorer at ES from the previous season.

Imagine the mindset of this individual.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Does anyone else get the feeling that the "organizational okayness" with the Frost situation is related to Cutter? As in "hey guys, our solution at center is coming in Gauthier towards the end of the season. Frost doesn't fit." Forgetting about the fact that it'd be an awful way to manage assets, and forgetting about the fact that Gauthier's skill set doesn't make much sense as an NHL center, especially given the mix of shoot-first wingers we have in Philly.

This keeps coming into my mind, and all I can think is "seems so on brand for this organization."

This would be intensely hilarious.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because desperately trying to increase Morgan Frost’s trade value, when they already were unable to get a sufficient offer for him in the summer following a 46-point season, is not their priority over icing the team they think gives them the best chance to win on a given night.

If they think the team is better while not playing one of their better players then they would be bad management and coaching, wouldn't it?

You and the Flyers are repeatedly, annually wrong in a big way on major player evaluations. Have you ever asked why?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Holy crap buddy . You are in the same category as a bag of hammers with comments like this .

I feel the same way about those who act like scratching Frost is inconceivable & the product of an evil personal vendetta.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Nope. I do not care.

Frost is invisible 90% of the time.

He doesn’t offer anything but offense, & his offense isn’t special: Rather, it’s inconsistent, comes against weak opponents, & he isn’t even an asset on the power play.

His low-pace, East-West, lightweight peripheral game does not fit the team’s style of play, & he’s not good enough to create an exception.

So I could not care less if they scratch him.

This is easily the most incorrect assessment of a player I've ever seen from you, and that's saying a lot. Because you've had some whopping failures.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Skizwald]

Was Danny Briere a figure skater? I seem to remember that from his draft year. I think Jeff Skinner was. Maybe this is the wrong thread for this question?

I'm not sure about those 2, but I remember reading an article about Ghost. He would go to his sister's figure skating practice and started taking skating lessons from her coach, then transitioned on to hockey.

 

[trostol]

That which is dead may never die

 

[Rich Nixon]

This is easily the most incorrect assessment of a player I've ever seen from you, and that's saying a lot. Because you've had some whopping failures.

literally plays the game at a faster tempo than almost anyone on the team and is one of the lone players willing and capable of driving a puck up the middle of the ice. just clown shit.

 

[Skizwald]

Sam Gagner.

Thats actually kind of my comparable too, at least right now. I think Frost can rise above Gagner's ceiling though.

 

[Curufinwe]

Bit of a trick trivia question - which Flyers forward has the 3rd best ESP/60 since the start of 21-22? I set the minimum ES TOI to 200.

1. Atkinson - 2.55 in 86 GP
2. Konecny - 2.4 in 152 GP
3.
4. Farabee - 2.11 in 158 GP
5. Giroux - 2.07 in 57 GP

 

[bennysflyers16]

Can't Cutter walk away from the Flyers in 2 more years , why should we assume he wants to be anywhere near Torts ?

MM will want zero to do with Torts, he won't make it through the preseason.

 

[Curufinwe]

Cutter is a shoot first winger, so he'll probably get hosed down in ice time no matter how sloppily he plays like Tippett.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Another alumni night

Perfect