2023-24 Roster Thread #6: A Hall of Famer, a doctor, a policeman and a moose walk into a bar with a Bundy...

[Flyerfan4life]

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I wonder if the guy circled plays slow hockey?

LOL..

Super Zinggg...

 

[ajgoal]

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I wonder if the guy circled plays slow hockey?

Do we have this with names on it?

 

[FlyTimmo]

Do we have this with names on it?

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/jfreshhockey/viz/NHLSkatingSpeedDashboard-2021-2023/TopSpeedvs_18Bursts

 

[Rich Nixon]

I have zero idea what you’re watching if you think Frost plays “at a faster tempo than almost anyone on the team.”

Lack of playing pace has been one of the biggest knocks on Frost since his junior days.

This is as bad as Beef not realizing that Carolina is a dump-and-chase team.

Playing fast isn't throwing a puck somewhere and skating as hard as you can after it. It's about anticipation and efficiency. It means processing the game quickly, moving the puck quickly, and using speed and skill to go through defenses (dangle a defender, sauce across the zone) rather than try to work your way around them (or doing the most inefficient thing, which is trying to hit them repeatedly until they turn the puck over).

Stupid, inefficient players often find themselves skating harder because they're either reacting to things or incapable of seeing/creating direct routes through defense to create scoring chances. More efficient and fast players will often look like they aren't doing a ton, because that's what efficiency means. Getting things done faster with less strain.

Frost moves the puck very quickly, frequently uses his footspeed to carry the puck through the neutral zone, and hell—he even is good at ending puck battles by watching from closeby, finding his opening and just quickly pulling the puck out on his stick while 3 other guys scrum away (I know, the right and noble thing to do would be to go in there and get ragdolled for a little without taking possession, just to prove you're GRINDING).

You ever play this game? If you want to determine how fast an offensive player is playing, watch the people defending him. If he's forcing them to churn their legs or dive across the zone, he's playing the game faster than they are.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Datsyuk is a name that sticks in my mind, but I’m sure there are plenty of others.

Not every player needs to play with Konecny like pace. The best ones, even for as much as I am a sucker for plus skaters - know how to slow the game down/hold the puck.

Torts is just obsessed with a certain mold of player.

 

[freakydallas13]

I have zero idea what you’re watching if you think Frost plays “at a faster tempo than almost anyone on the team.”

Lack of playing pace has been one of the biggest knocks on Frost since his junior days.

This is as bad as Beef not realizing that Carolina is a dump-and-chase team.

Looks like you're complaining about the wrong player.

 

[BiggE]

Datsyuk is a name that sticks in my mind, but I’m sure there are plenty of others.

Not every player needs to play with Konecny like pace. The best ones, even for as much as I am a sucker for plus skaters - know how to slow the game down/hold the puck.

Torts is just obsessed with a certain mold of player.

Gretzky was the best at this. He never seemed to be moving that fast but every play he made was the perfect play at the perfect time. Forsberg had that knack as well, obviously not at Gretzky’s level, but still better than 99% of his contemporaries. Datsyuk is good example of this as well and you could also add Igor Larionov and Ron Francis to the list too.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Gretzky was the best at this. He never seemed to be moving that fast but every play he made was the perfect play at the perfect time. Forsberg had that knack as well, obviously not at Gretzky’s level, but still better than 99% of his contemporaries. Datsyuk is good example of this as well and you could also add Igor Larionov and Ron Francis to the list too.

Pronger's individual speed was slow when he was here but he was able to dictate pace and keep players reacting to him, with and without the puck.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

This is easily the most incorrect assessment of a player I've ever seen from you, and that's saying a lot. Because you've had some whopping failures.

That’s what happens when a swiss cheese brain has taken you hostage.

 

[Tripod]

Frosts fault.
A good offensive player would’ve aimed the shot for TK

Can't believe you guys can't see Frost MAJORLY messing up on this clip. It's there for all to see but you all have your head buried in the toilet with the seat down on it.

Look at the score. Flyers winning 3-0. Why is he focusing on offense? Stay near the blueline so you are ready to defend. Slow skating smol boi.

 

[Magua]

No one timers on any unit, although Frost/Brink might work. Atkinson as the half-wall QB, with Coots on the other wing. Rocky is hard at work, innovating and such. I'm sure the designed (I use that word generously) plays will be doozies.

Interesting that York isn't even on the PP. I wonder how the people who, despite real question marks, anointed him as the long-term answer to the PP1 QB (who needs another offensive defenseman?) feel about that one. Specifically, after receiving substantially more PP time than Sanheim has ever gotten, which was enough to prove he was incapable.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Wait, they've been practicing plays off faceoffs? Or is that new? I hope it's new, because if it's not, woof

Edit: Though it's also a woof if they hadn't been doing that before. Really a lose-lose revelation for coaches.

 

[BigToe]

No one timers on any unit, although Frost/Brink might work. Atkinson as the half-wall QB, with Coots on the other wing. Rocky is hard at work, innovating and such. I'm sure the designed (I use that word generously) plays will be doozies.

Interesting that York isn't even on the PP. I wonder how the people who anointed him as the long-term PP1 QB (who needs another offensive defenseman?) feel about that one. Specifically, after receiving more PP time than Sanheim has ever gotten, which was enough to prove he was incapable.

Frost and Brink are our best two half-wall options imo. Think having them on their strong sides is actually good because attacking space is built into strong hand 1-3-1 PPs and that's what I think they need most. Hopefully we get some PP chances because I wanna see how those two look together.

 

[Curufinwe]

Still not convinced York won't be a late scratch so he can sit in the stands with his Anaheim crew.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Still not convinced York won't be a late scratch so he can sit in the stands with his Anaheim crew.

I'd believe it if we weren't already down two favorite dmen. I'm sure Tortorella wishes he could.

 

[Curufinwe]

 

[Magua]

Frost and Brink are our best two half-wall options imo. Think having them on their strong sides is actually good because attacking space is built into strong hand 1-3-1 PPs and that's what I think they need most. Hopefully we get some PP chances because I wanna see how those two look together.

I'm not anti-strong side PPs. I think it just requires specific skill-sets. Guys like Marner/Gaudreau thrive in that set-up. Like I said, Brink and Frost have those skill-sets. They've done it in the past. Coots and Atkinson? RIP.

But I am of the belief that strong side PPs are more difficult in the NHL. It requires a lot more scheming: designed overload plays, below goal line stuff, movement/switching, plus short area elusiveness. You have to catch pucks across your body and you can't take a one timer, so you're automatically slowing down play creation in age where PKs pressure more than ever.

The worst strong side PPs devolve into the half-wall guy wheeling up high, the defenseman sliding him the puck, and taking a wrist shot from the face-off dot -- on loop. Coming from the mastermind of the zero net front, two guys below the goal line 5 on 3? Good luck!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[mja]

Playing fast isn't throwing a puck somewhere and skating as hard as you can after it. It's about anticipation and efficiency. It means processing the game quickly, moving the puck quickly, and using speed and skill to go through defenses (dangle a defender, sauce across the zone) rather than try to work your way around them (or doing the most inefficient thing, which is trying to hit them repeatedly until they turn the puck over).

Stupid, inefficient players often find themselves skating harder because they're either reacting to things or incapable of seeing/creating direct routes through defense to create scoring chances. More efficient and fast players will often look like they aren't doing a ton, because that's what efficiency means. Getting things done faster with less strain.

Frost moves the puck very quickly, frequently uses his footspeed to carry the puck through the neutral zone, and hell—he even is good at ending puck battles by watching from closeby, finding his opening and just quickly pulling the puck out on his stick while 3 other guys scrum away (I know, the right and noble thing to do would be to go in there and get ragdolled for a little without taking possession, just to prove you're GRINDING).

You ever play this game? If you want to determine how fast an offensive player is playing, watch the people defending him. If he's forcing them to churn their legs or dive across the zone, he's playing the game faster than they are.

You are wasting your time. He doesn't understand the sport and refuses to learn.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Tortorella rather have more CTE than Michigan goals.

 

[freakydallas13]

Hire him as a vibes ambassador then, no need to have him dragging the on ice product down.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sort of like how exclusively stand-up goaltending is a part of the game that is forgotten. Maybe there's a reason for that, Horsebait.

 

[Magua]

Sort of like how exclusively stand-up goaltending is a part of the game that is forgotten. Maybe there's a reason for that, Horsebait.

Tortorella played 32 year old Rupp over Zuccarello. Rupp had 5 points in 60 games with 97 PIMs. Marvel at how Torts has evolved!

How many years will it take for Deslauriers to get a single healthy scratch? I honestly wonder.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tortorella played Rupp over Zuccarello. Rupp had 5 points in 60 games with 97 PIMs. Look at how he’s evolved!

5 point centers don't just grow on trees.


They're shat out by dogs. Then picked up off the ground and chewed on blissfully by idiotic, awful Hockey Men.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

Always love the condescending "you guys don't know" BS from coaches. There's a reason that part of the game is forgotten. It's been getting phased out for quite some time now. Not dead yet, but very badly burned.