2023-24 Roster Thread #6: A Hall of Famer, a doctor, a policeman and a moose walk into a bar with a Bundy...

[Flyerfan4life]

#Dinosaur



this guy desp. wants 1970s hockey back..

 

[Adtar02]

Playing fast isn't throwing a puck somewhere and skating as hard as you can after it. It's about anticipation and efficiency. It means processing the game quickly, moving the puck quickly, and using speed and skill to go through defenses (dangle a defender, sauce across the zone) rather than try to work your way around them (or doing the most inefficient thing, which is trying to hit them repeatedly until they turn the puck over).

Stupid, inefficient players often find themselves skating harder because they're either reacting to things or incapable of seeing/creating direct routes through defense to create scoring chances. More efficient and fast players will often look like they aren't doing a ton, because that's what efficiency means. Getting things done faster with less strain.

Frost moves the puck very quickly, frequently uses his footspeed to carry the puck through the neutral zone, and hell—he even is good at ending puck battles by watching from closeby, finding his opening and just quickly pulling the puck out on his stick while 3 other guys scrum away (I know, the right and noble thing to do would be to go in there and get ragdolled for a little without taking possession, just to prove you're GRINDING).

You ever play this game? If you want to determine how fast an offensive player is playing, watch the people defending him. If he's forcing them to churn their legs or dive across the zone, he's playing the game faster than they are.

Really good post. Never knew how to explain that, that way. Thank you.

 

[Adtar02]

I'm not anti-strong side PPs. I think it just requires specific skill-sets. Guys like Marner/Gaudreau thrive in that set-up. Like I said, Brink and Frost have those skill-sets. They've done it in the past. Coots and Atkinson? RIP.

But I am of the belief that strong side PPs are more difficult in the NHL. It requires a lot more scheming: designed overload plays, below goal line stuff, movement/switching, plus short area elusiveness. You have to catch pucks across your body and you can't take a one timer, so you're automatically slowing down play creation in age where PKs pressure more than ever.

The worst strong side PPs devolve into the half-wall guy wheeling up high, the defenseman sliding him the puck, and taking a wrist shot from the face-off dot -- on loop. Coming from the mastermind of the zero net front, two guys below the goal line 5 on 3? Good luck!

Coots is so smart I think he can play anywhere. But. Net front he was really good. Sneaky and found holes in the d.

 

[Magua]

Coots is so smart I think he can play anywhere. But. Net front he was really good. Sneaky and found holes in the d.

Coots is smart. I’m fine with him as a 4/5 guy around the net. He can pass below the goal line a bit. But he just isn’t dynamic or elusive enough on the wall. It’s absolutely better than Atkinson and Tippett, don’t get me wrong.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Always love the condescending "you guys don't know" BS from coaches. There's a reason that part of the game is forgotten. It's been getting phased out for quite some time now. Not dead yet, but very badly burned.

Sure seems many a hockey professional (people who would also know!) disagree with Tortorella, and they all tend to be better at their jobs.

 

[Curufinwe]

Farabee is 4th in the league for ESP/60 (minimum 100 minutes)

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Farabee has zero PPP

 

[Striiker]

Brink benched LMAO

D E V E L O P M E N T

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

What is even the f***ing purpose of this? They just won yesterday and because Brink didn't put up a point, he's going to sit? That makes no f***ing sense. The fact that Brink, a guy who is up there for rookie scoring, is sitting while ND is still playing is f***ing baffling.

 

[kudymen]

There has to be a reason and a good one at that because John Tortorella turned Martin St Louis into Martin St Louis

 

[bennysflyers16]

Rubbing one out talking about Nicky D to benching kids for AHL slop , this was torts in an 18 hour span.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Shocking that they keep picking trash coaches with the same men year after year influencing that hiring process.

Pharaohs were more accountable

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Truly bizarre that posters are arguing that Morgan Frost is an up-tempo player. Like I said, lack of playing pace, despite possessing skating speed when he wants to use it, has been a knock on Frost since junior.

Scott Wheeler analysis of Frost’s game (from 2018):

The Gifted: Why Flyers prospect Morgan Frost needs to find different ways to use his skatingThe Gifted: Why Flyers prospect Morgan Frost needs to find different ways to use his skating

Includes the quote:

Frost too often plays down to the pace of his opponents and teammates, pulling up to slow the game down and use his playmaking ability to find seams as a passer, rather than as a skater.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Google Saturday Nights Main event theme song , that’s Ghosty with Frost.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Brink benched LMAO

D E V E L O P M E N T

This is f***ing stupid.

 

[Striiker]

This is f***ing stupid.

It’s a rebuild

 

[freakydallas13]

Truly bizarre that posters are arguing that Morgan Frost is an up-tempo player. Like I said, lack of playing pace, despite possessing skating speed when he wants to use it, has been a knock on Frost since junior.

Scott Wheeler analysis of Frost’s game (from 2018):

The Gifted: Why Flyers prospect Morgan Frost needs to find different ways to use his skatingThe Gifted: Why Flyers prospect Morgan Frost needs to find different ways to use his skating

Includes the quote:

Frost too often plays down to the pace of his opponents and teammates, pulling up to slow the game down and use his playmaking ability to find seams as a passer, rather than as a skater.

This season Frost has bursts of speed (18+ mph) at more than twice the rate that Cates does.

 

[bennysflyers16]

This season Frost has bursts of speed (18+ mph) at more than twice the rate that Cates does.

What about 5 yrs ago tho ?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

 

[wankstifier]

When can Tortorella join the forgotten?

 

[Deadpool8812]

Yup...that's why every season, the Deslauriers of the league are leading teams to the Cup

 

[BiggE]

I can see giving a young player, who has little pro experience and isn’t used to the rigors of the NHL, a night off on the 2nd night of a b2b. But sitting Zamula, who does have quite a bit of pro experience, for an AHL Dman is just Torts playing his usual asshole mind games.

Now if Brink misses more than just this one game, then Torts is an even bigger piece of shit than I thought. And that would be a mountain of turds.

 

[BernieParent]

#Dinosaur



this guy desp. wants 1970s hockey back..

It's a toss-up what Tortorella would consider the worst development in hockey: the Michigan or discovery of CTE.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

What is even the f***ing purpose of this? They just won yesterday and because Brink didn't put up a point, he's going to sit? That makes no f***ing sense. The fact that Brink, a guy who is up there for rookie scoring, is sitting while ND is still playing is f***ing baffling.

#rebuilding.

hahaa..

 

[trostol]

Corruption!!! I mean Culture!!!

 

[Curufinwe]

Perhaps there's more to Cates' offense than meets the eye?

Despite challenges, Noah Cates thrived as a rookie. Now he looks to take further steps

In his rookie season, Cates quickly established himself as a quality NHL option — not even at his original position.

theathletic.com