2023-24 Roster Thread #5: Where the boos aren't limited to Halloween

[Beef Invictus]

Clearly all tanks fail miserably. Just look at Detroit! Ignore all other successful examples, please. Also ignore no team taking the Flyers' particular path has ever won.

 

[FLYguy3911]

You gotta tag @landsbergfan when you post this. Thems the rules.

*ahem*

 

[FlyerNutter]

Ahh yes. The lovely Gina Valentine. Has nothing on Laughton’s wife.

Don’t think that’s a snickers bar in his pocket tho

That's a totally different issue, and it comes down to drafting.

4 1st rd picks the last decade or so:
Provorov could be a 1st pair guy with the right RHD, he showed that with Niskanen.
Sanheim is finally blossoming at 27 (we hope, still SSS).
York is holding his own on the first pair.
Morin whiff

After that a lot of misses, unlike say Tennessee, they haven't been able to find starters after the 1st rd, though Andrae should buck that trend. I'm keeping an eye on Sotheran. Ghost was their one hit, though injuries have kept him from becoming a reliable top 4 D-man.

Andrae will be fine with a little experienced.
Ginning is a whiff at #50
Hagg was a whiff in the 2nd rd
Grans is a trade, but another 2nd rd pick failing to live up to his draft position so far
Zamula is looking like a 3LHD, not bad for UDFA

Same issue. Drafting, and development go hand in hand.

Next question if you’re brave enough.

Who from either department have the Flyers fired in the last decade?

 

[deadhead]

Ahh yes. The lovely Gina Valentine. Has nothing on Laughton’s wife.

Don’t think that’s a snickers bar in his pocket tho



Same issue. Drafting, and development go hand in hand.

Next question if you’re brave enough.

Who from either department have the Flyers fired in the last decade?

What talented D-man didn't develop?
They just did a lousy job of drafting.
Myers couldn't be salvaged by Tenn or TB, Freidman is a AHL+ player after 3 years in Pittsburgh and so on.
Development isn't some miracle process that takes marginal talent and turns them into NHL starters.

 

[FlyerNutter]

What talented D-man didn't develop?
They just did a lousy job of drafting.
Myers couldn't be salvaged by Tenn or TB, Freidman is a AHL+ player after 3 years in Pittsburgh and so on.
Development isn't some miracle process that takes marginal talent and turns them into NHL starters.

Hah I figured you’d avoid that question.

Last one just for a little fun.

Assuming I go with the train of thought that it’s just lousy drafting, and avoid the answer that they are basically the same drafting crew since the dinosaurs roamed…

Wouldn’t it it be more prudent to try to draft as high as possible to have the best chance at the elite talent? Or is that “lousy drafting” something you’re willing to put your hope in, for another decade.

 

[Starat327]

*ahem*

After all your activity on my OnlyHands I assumed you weren't ready for more excitement.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Seeler is very much a problem. In my eyes anyway. How an incredibly meh 3rd pairing defenseman has seemingly become a lock for a rebuilding team is just another example of piss poor development.

It’s just being hidden because Ristolainen is hurt, but you can bet your ass it’s going to be a kids spot that’s taken away once he gets healthy. A kid that’s going to share minutes with Staal or Seeler.

I give the Flyers no leeway when it comes to these decisions because the best young defenseman they have developed in the last 15 has been who? Coburn? Sanheim?

As always, two legit top stars in like 30 years. Every opportunity should be made to try to unearth, and develop top talent - but locking in veterans such as Seeler is very much a trend in Philadelphia.

So because Seeler is older and is a better player right now than any of the younger guys you and others don’t like him ?

Ice time is earned not a birth right in the real world so until someone steps up and EARNS ice time I totally disagree with you

 

[Beef Invictus]

What talented D-man didn't develop?
They just did a lousy job of drafting.
Myers couldn't be salvaged by Tenn or TB, Freidman is a AHL+ player after 3 years in Pittsburgh and so on.
Development isn't some miracle process that takes marginal talent and turns them into NHL starters.

Truly the Flyers have made no errors in the last half decade. You can tell because the team isnt riddled with mistakes.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

BS call against Brink.

 

[FlyerNutter]

So because Seeler is older and is a better player right now than any of the younger guys you and others don’t like him ?

Ice time is earned not a birth right in the real world so until someone steps up and EARNS ice time I totally disagree with you

The Flyers have been doing this Bobby Clarke “earning everything” approach for as long as I’ve followed them.

Refusing to properly rebuild. Revamp their scouting, and developmental departments by actually removing incompetence. Etc etc etc.

It’s worked incredibly well.

Regarding Seeler. He’s completely irrelevant to the teams future success. As is any other depth defenseman if they don’t do everything possible to identity top talent.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

The Flyers have been doing this Bobby Clarke “earning everything” approach for as long as I’ve followed them.

Refusing to properly rebuild. Revamp their scouting, and developmental departments by actually removing incompetence. Etc etc etc.

It’s worked incredibly well.

Regarding Seeler. He’s completely irrelevant to the teams future success. As is any other depth defenseman if they don’t do everything possible to identity top talent.

Identifying top talent has nothing to do with who’s on the roster now

 

[FlyerNutter]

Identifying top talent has nothing to do with who’s on the roster now

The roster now is irrelevant. As is any win.

You dont win shit in this league without a better defense, and Matvei isn't nearly enough up front either.

Continuing to give ice time to known quantities, who are nothing more than vanilla depth is foolish for a team that is bereft of top talent.

I realize my wishes aren't coming true, alas as the Flyers know best after all. The proof is there if one looks back to the cretaceous.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

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So because Seeler is older and is a better player right now than any of the younger guys you and others don’t like him ?

Ice time is earned not a birth right in the real world so until someone steps up and EARNS ice time I totally disagree with you

Seeler being "better" than the younger guys is a laughable notion, but Staal certainly isn't better and we know he's gonna be gifted ice time when he gets back

 

[Starat327]

Icetime in the Flyers organization is not in fact earned.

Keith Yandle is a testament to this, and multiple staff and players have confirmed this.

Please stop lying.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Imagine thinking the Flyers reward based on merit.

 

[deadhead]

Seeler is playing b/c no one in LHV has impressed enough to get called up.

Andrae will return in the spring after he figures out NA hockey, I think it's just a matter of getting used to different angles in the NA rinks and the smaller windows.

The others? Unless someone steps up, none look NHL caliber right now. Attard isn't progressing on defense, Ginning is what he is, Grans may not have the IQ, Samson is 20.

They drafted Bonk and Sotheran, they'll probably draft 2 more D-men in the first 3 rounds this summer (supposedly a deep draft for D-men). They know they need help.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Seeler is playing b/c no one in LHV has impressed enough to get called up.

Andrae will return in the spring after he figures out NA hockey, I think it's just a matter of getting used to different angles in the NA rinks and the smaller windows.

The others? Unless someone steps up, none look NHL caliber right now. Attard isn't progressing on defense, Ginning is what he is, Grans may not have the IQ, Samson is 20.

They drafted Bonk and Sotheran, they'll probably draft 2 more D-men in the first 3 rounds this summer (supposedly a deep draft for D-men). They know they need help.

Thank you

My exact point

 

[Beef Invictus]

Seeler is playing b/c no one in LHV has impressed enough to get called up.

Andrae will return in the spring after he figures out NA hockey, I think it's just a matter of getting used to different angles in the NA rinks and the smaller windows.

The others? Unless someone steps up, none look NHL caliber right now. Attard isn't progressing on defense, Ginning is what he is, Grans may not have the IQ, Samson is 20.

They drafted Bonk and Sotheran, they'll probably draft 2 more D-men in the first 3 rounds this summer (supposedly a deep draft for D-men). They know they need help.

It is not possible for them to impress enough to get called up. We have observed for years that such a thing is impossible. It can only happen if injuries forced their hand.

The Flyers are not run on merit

 

[bennysflyers16]

Seeler has played over Zamula already this year

 

[Tripod]

Seeler has played over Zamula already this year

I am old enough to remember when Seeler was going to be the #7 last year and never play.

And Deslauriers will be scratched or demoted when we have prosoect depth ready.

 

[wankstifier]

The rebuild strategery is game by game and performed with blunt instruments

 

[Cody Webster]

I am old enough to remember when Seeler was going to be the #7 last year and never play.

And Deslauriers will be scratched or demoted when we have prosoect depth ready.

BuT sEeLeR eArNeD iT

 

[BiggE]

It is not possible for them to impress enough to get called up. We have observed for years that such a thing is impossible. It can only happen if injuries forced their hand.

The Flyers are not run on merit

True. They are run on geritol, snuff and cronyism

 

[Flyerfan4life]

True. They are run on geritol, snuff and cronyism

and old dog injuries...

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Seeler is playing b/c no one in LHV has impressed enough to get called up.

Andrae will return in the spring after he figures out NA hockey, I think it's just a matter of getting used to different angles in the NA rinks and the smaller windows.

The others? Unless someone steps up, none look NHL caliber right now. Attard isn't progressing on defense, Ginning is what he is, Grans may not have the IQ, Samson is 20.

They drafted Bonk and Sotheran, they'll probably draft 2 more D-men in the first 3 rounds this summer (supposedly a deep draft for D-men). They know they need help.

Yes, agreed, we will draft Celebrini and be happy about it