2023-24 Roster Thread #5: Where the boos aren't limited to Halloween

[Cody Webster]

Ahhh, I see we're back to the Torts benches everyone excuse....which just simply isn't true

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Just a reminder for anyone here that seems to care at all about the Flyers roster...

"hockey is a honest game!

skill plays like that wouldnt be tolerated backin my day"...

signed Torts

 

[Cody Webster]

That's because a lot of people here jump to conclusions without evidence.

You make a lot of assumptions, then pass them along as fact, without any evidence

 

[deadhead]

You make a lot of assumptions, then pass them along as fact, without any evidence

No, I don't pass them along as fact, and I give cites when I can find them.
You just don't like anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived prejudices.

 

[Curufinwe]

That's because a lot of people here jump to conclusions without evidence.

We have plenty of evidence that Torts holds Frost to different standards than other forwards. It couldn't be more obvious.

Try and catch up with reality before making another prediction like the one where Attard was going to replace Risto in the top 4. He can't even get in the team a year later ahead of Belpedio!

 

[Cody Webster]

No, I don't pass them along as fact, and I give cites when I can find them.
You just don't like anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived prejudices.

That's just simply not anywhere close to being true, but you do you

 

[freakydallas13]

I doubt it has anything to do with Frost not kissing Tort's ass.
Frost has said and done the right things.
And if Torts really had it in for Frost, why sign him to a two year bridge? Why wasn't he traded over the summer?

I suspect it's more about Torts/Briere wanting more information on other players and their roles, especially Foerster (keep on team?) and Tippett (can he adjust to LW?).

Fans may feel urgency, but if they feel they're rebuilding, then Briere can afford to be patient and wait a few more games before making some decisions (send Foerster down to LHV, move Tippett to RW and Laughton to LW, keep TK at LW or trade for a LW).

It probably comes down more to Laughton v Frost, which may be driven by Tort's preference for Laughton as an all around player or Briere's desire to showcase Laughton (i.e. if they really wanted to get rid of Frost, they'd play him a lot of minutes in offensive situations to pad his stats).

A rebuilding team decided not to trade 29 year Scott Laughton for a 1st and a 2nd (possible denied more than one offer), and is now benching their young center that needs play time for half a dozen games because they want to showcase Laughton? A player who has been in the leauge for a decade?

I was told Torts was the final decision maker. Now the story changes?

Why don't you tell us who you think the final decision maker is? It would help me parse what you are posting.

 

[freakydallas13]

Almost done with the Rhythm of War audiobook. My goodness I don't want to hear anymore about Venli.

Next read is The Will of the Many by James Islington hopefully that'll be a fun read.

I liked the Venli chapters

f*** off, dude.

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[freakydallas13]

Because they haven't said Foerster has a starting job.
Brink on the other hand, it's obvious just from his TOI.

Something has to give, and at that point we'll have a better idea what's going on.

You can't call people out for making claims based on no evidence, then when asked for evidence for your claims use a lack of evidence as an explanation.

No, I don't pass them along as fact, and I give cites when I can find them.
You just don't like anything that doesn't agree with your preconceived prejudices.

The players love Torts?

 

[Striiker]

His love for Torts is unreal.

 

[deadhead]

Why don't you tell us who you think the final decision maker is? It would help me parse what you are posting.

I think, from what's been reported, that Briere is the final decision maker on personnel decisions, but he has a collaborative style, and generally is on the same page with Torts. But Briere the player wasn't a shrinking violet, so I expect Briere the GM won't shy from making hard decisions.

1) they obviously value skill, Brink has been given a major role after 6 games, Briere just drafted Michkov, Barkey, Ciernak and traded for Rizzo.

2) they value aggressive play, the praise for TK, Torts encouraging York to be more aggressive in the O-zone. Torts uses an aggressive two man forecheck.

3) they value high IQ and intangibles,

4) they don't like to rush prospects, Briere bounced between Phoenix and the AHL for four seasons, playing 176 AHL games, wasn't a full-time starter until 24, so he understands this from personal experience.

5) they've said repeatedly the rebuild is going to be a long process and they want to do it "right."

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

His love for Torts is unreal.

I'll always gladly focus my anger towards the front office and Ian Laperriere.

You don't have to encourage me on that one.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I'll always gladly focus my anger towards the front office and Ian Laperriere.

You don't have to encourage me on that one.

Then you’ll just be being negative for the sake of being negative.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Bruins should pounce a steal Frost

 

[VladDrag]

His love for Torts is unreal.

Well.............

 

[bobbythebrain]

Frost suspended 41 games for gambling...on himself

 

[GKJ]

Attard is 24 and Ginning is going to be 24. If they can’t crack your lineup as fill-ins, they’re lost causes. It would be different if they were 21.

Frost, we know what’s going on. Torts did the same thing with Dubois, and ended up with a player he liked even less and had to leave at the end of the year.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Clues = 0

Translation, we really don’t want to play the kids. We want to play the veterans.
This shit really is unbelievable. All these young players are playing like they are afraid to make a mistake or they won’t play or sent to the AHL. It’s a hellava process, it really is.
I loathe this organization.

 

[deadhead]

Well.............

I'm sure Flyers have scouts at home games (probably on the road as well) both to watch their players but also prospects on other teams. Wouldn't surprise me if Briere has made that trip on a regular basis, it's not like Allentown is in upstate NY. I'm sure Armstrong is there on a regular basis.

So it's unlikely that they depend on Lappy's judgement. He's just one input.

 

[wasup]

It's not even slightly mysterious to anyone but you.

Put him on fricken ignore he is just here for an attention grab .

 

[Tripod]

Torts likes Frost. Ignore he called him a toilet seat.

Torts wants to play Frost. Ignore he determines who plays or not.

Torts benches everyone. Ignore this year he has benched only rookies and Frost.

Torts wants more offense. Ignore he has benched top ES guy from last year/pre-season.

 

[tnfrs]

Torts likes Frost. Ignore he called him a toilet seat.

Torts wants to play Frost. Ignore he determines who plays or not.

Torts benches everyone. Ignore this year he has benched only rookies and Frost.

Torts wants more offense. Ignore he has benched top ES guy from last year/pre-season.

Torts wants to find more minutes for Farabee sings whole line praises, moves entire line down to 3rd line

 

[Beef Invictus]

While the process is dumb as rocks, and shows why the team will remain horrible until everyone is fired, on an individual player level losing Frost won't matter. We have at least (at minimum) another decade to go before enough people die or retire that maybe some change can happen and the team can contend. Anyone in their mid 20s won't be a part of it when things might start turning it around. They'll just be part of the muck and have their careers flushed.

 

[Curufinwe]

The only player being dicked around worse than Frost is Sandstrom. Let the guy play in the AHL for god's sake - he's 26! If he gets claimed, so be it. An extra roster spot/contract slot is more valuable at this point.

 

[Curufinwe]

Torts likes Frost. Ignore he called him a toilet seat.

Torts wants to play Frost. Ignore he determines who plays or not.

Torts benches everyone. Ignore this year he has benched only rookies and Frost.

Torts wants more offense. Ignore he has benched top ES guy from last year/pre-season.

Torts scratched Zamula after a win to put in a clearly not ready 21 year old Andrae. But can't find any room for Frost after two straight losses.

Now that it's getting wider attention, it will be interesting to hear what leaks out to people like Marek who seems to have sources inside the Flyers. And of course last year we had Meltzer bluntly state in a Buzz comment than Hockey Ops had to intervene to stop Torts playing Frost on the 4th line.