2023-24 Roster Thread #5: Where the boos aren't limited to Halloween

[Beef Invictus]

Now I know you're lying about diet.
I've drunk with Rugby players, Well, not with them as in trying to keep up, I"m not that stupid.

The one Rugby guy I knew in college could rip the top of a beer can off with his teeth and then down the beer in a gulp. He also didn't have hangovers. Straight up didn't have them, so he had no fear of consequences. Lethal to party with.

 

[VladDrag]

i mean its kind of a case study in how easy it is for even "high level athletes" to delude themselves into not training hard enough because of things like genetics instead of working past plateaus. either italian rugby players are just genetically superior to american rugby players or maybe the US team is following bad advice? a couple of articles from 7 years ago about skills training, and another article about diet looks great on the surface, and but that doesnt change the fact that hes showed up to camp with philly out of shape, so did hayes, and thats part of why they needed to go.

If you can find proof of that, that JVR came into came unfit, then I’ll say I was wrong.

It means nothing to me if he did or did not. I am deluded enough to think every single opinion or though I have is correct. If I am wrong I am wrong.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Now I know you're lying about diet.
I've drunk with Rugby players, Well, not with them as in trying to keep up, I"m not that stupid.

I married one. Life isn't boring.

 

[tnfrs]

If you can find proof of that, that JVR came into came unfit, then I’ll say I was wrong.

It means nothing to me if he did or did not. I am deluded enough to think every single opinion or though I have is correct. If I am wrong I am wrong.

bro, you said you worked with the best coaches in rugby and i dont know a lot about weird football, but i know enough that when a program is ranked outside the top 20 theyre not considered one of the best. you just want me to appeal to your authority on all things fitness and conditioning related but I know that authority to be full of shit. i dont need you to say youre wrong.

 

[deadhead]

This is a cork board with 700 red strings connecting barbecues, caterpillars, and capacitors.

All of this is based on the idea that it takes close to a decade to rebuild, which is again, utterly baseless. I can’t respond to made up timelines because they don’t exist. Nor can I agree that what the Devils did in 2014 has the slightest bit of relevance to how they went about rebuilding in 2020. The premise is utterly absurd.

Fitzgerald took over in 2020, the core had already been drafted.
So yeah, the rebuild effectively started in 2016.

Bratt 2016 draft
McLeod #12-2016
Hischier #1-2017
Schmid 2018 draft
J Hughes #1-2019

He drafted Holtz #7-2020, Mercer #18-2020, L Hughes #4-2021
#18 was obtained by Shero with Bahl for Hall

Basically, he inherited the core of the team, declared the rebuild over and added:
Hamilton (30)
Toffoil (31)
Palat (32)
B Smith (34)
C Miller (31)
Haula (32)

Meier (27) cost 2023 1st, 2024 1st, Mukhamadullin (#20-2020)

 

[VladDrag]

bro, you said you worked with the best coaches in rugby and i dont know a lot about weird football, but i know enough that when a program is ranked outside the top 20 theyre not considered one of the best. you just want me to appeal to your authority on all things fitness and conditioning related but I know that authority to be full of shit. i dont need you to say youre wrong.

The coach for America during the 2015 World Cup qualifiers was an English-born coach named Brian McDermott. Brian McDermott (rugby league) - Wikipedia

I played for America during this time. At the time he was coach of the Leeds Rhinos who played in the English Super League. He was known as the best coach in England, and one of the up and coming coaches in the world…I was lucky enough to work with his S&C guys during the lead up to the qualifiers.

I added 3 photos, screenshots from videos of me from 2015, that I had to send to the S&C guys in preparation for the World Cup qualifiers. The photos are a 48” box jump, a 335 lbs squat, and a 245 lbs close grip bench press. You can see the dates and times they were taken.

Not that I think this is going to change your mind, but whatever. You don’t have to believe me.

 

[Tripod]

Maybe someone has JVR and Kessel mixed up.

 

[Striiker]

Give me 45 minutes to warm up and I’ll race any of you mofos.

 

[Magua]

The coach for America during the 2015 World Cup qualifiers was an English-born coach named Brian McDermott. Brian McDermott (rugby league) - Wikipedia

I played for America during this time. At the time he was coach of the Leeds Rhinos who played in the English Super League. He was known as the best coach in England, and one of the up and coming coaches in the world…I was lucky enough to work with his S&C guys during the lead up to the qualifiers.

I added 3 photos, screenshots from videos of me from 2015, that I had to send to the S&C guys in preparation for the World Cup qualifiers. The photos are a 48” box jump, a 335 lbs squat, and a 245 lbs close grip bench press. You can see the dates and times they were taken.

Not that I think this is going to change your mind, but whatever. You don’t have to believe me.

While I have you: do you also have any definitive proof of the Blues offering a 1+2 for Laughton?

 

[tnfrs]

The coach for America during the 2015 World Cup qualifiers was an English-born coach named Brian McDermott. Brian McDermott (rugby league) - Wikipedia

I played for America during this time. At the time he was coach of the Leeds Rhinos who played in the English Super League. He was known as the best coach in England, and one of the up and coming coaches in the world…I was lucky enough to work with his S&C guys during the lead up to the qualifiers.

I added 3 photos, screenshots from videos of me from 2015, that I had to send to the S&C guys in preparation for the World Cup qualifiers. The photos are a 48” box jump, a 335 lbs squat, and a 245 lbs close grip bench press. You can see the dates and times they were taken.

Not that I think this is going to change your mind, but whatever. You don’t have to believe me.

cool man, your PRs are irrelevant if the process to get there is flawed. Hockey is not the same as rugby, I was just mocking your flex, thats cool if you did compete, but when youre a 30+ year old hockey player your goals arent adding strength anymore youre adding longevity, youre not adding muscle anymore youre training cardiovascular endurance so you can last into the post season. its no secret JVRs best statistical seasons were his shortest, and in an 82 game season he was always gassed by the end, its because hayes and jvr used training camp to get their conditioning on point and theres no proper recovery time after if youve taken a month or two off, are you familiar with the dallas bed rest and training study?

 

[Tripod]

Can you pick out the Muppet franchise?

 

[BernieParent]

Can you pick out the Muppet franchise?

View attachment 757376

Surprised Tortorella isn't representing the Flyers.

 

[VladDrag]

cool man, your PRs are irrelevant if the process to get there is flawed. Hockey is not the same as rugby, I was just mocking your flex, thats cool if you did compete, but when youre a 30+ year old hockey player your goals arent adding strength anymore youre adding longevity, youre not adding muscle anymore youre training cardiovascular endurance so you can last into the post season. its no secret JVRs best statistical seasons were his shortest, and in an 82 game season he was always gassed by the end, its because hayes and jvr used training camp to get their conditioning on point and theres no proper recovery time after if youve taken a month or two off, are you familiar with the dallas best rest and training study?

Those weren't PRs, but this conversation isn't about me. It's about you not admitting you're wrong. You said some stuff about JvR, it got proven wrong and you doubled down, and in the process attempted to attack me as if I didn't know what I was talking about. Then I proved to you that I do know what I'm talking about you moved the goal posts.

And guess what, you are still saying things with no backup. Best believe if you say something about statistics, I'm going to look into to it. I'm also a scientist who loves to look at data.

JvR's best seasons statistically (if you mean production) were 13-14, 16-17, 20-21. He played 80, 82, and 56, respectively. Sure one of those years he didn't play a lot, but two of the three he did.

He finished the 13-14 season with 31 points in the the last 41 games and the 16-17 season with 28 in the last 41 (16 in the last 22). Now, if you're looking at advanced metrics, his best year was 17-18, but he played 81 games. So you're comment that he was best only in shortened season isn't correct.

You still have not provided any proof that JvR wasn't fit going into camp. You're just saying things. If you had any inside information an article, or a video something said that, I would take it into account. You haven't. You want me to just believe you, after you haven't believed me despite me providing a ridiculous level of proof.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I married one. Life isn't boring.

My team pet

 

[Beef Invictus]

Those weren't PRs, but this conversation isn't about me. It's about you not admitting you're wrong. You said some stuff about JvR, it got proven wrong and you doubled down, and in the process attempted to attack me as if I didn't know what I was talking about. Then I proved to you that I do know what I'm talking about you moved the goal posts.

And guess what, you are still saying things with no backup. Best believe if you say something about statistics, I'm going to look into to it. I'm also a scientist who loves to look at data.

JvR's best seasons statistically (if you mean production) were 13-14, 16-17, 20-21. He played 80, 82, and 56, respectively. Sure one of those years he didn't play a lot, but two of the three he did.

View attachment 757455
He finished the 13-14 season with 31 points in the the last 41 games and the 16-17 season with 28 in the last 41 (16 in the last 22). Now, if you're looking at advanced metrics, his best year was 17-18, but he played 81 games. So you're comment that he was best only in shortened season isn't correct.

You still have not provided any proof that JvR wasn't fit going into camp. You're just saying things. If you had any inside information an article, or a video something said that, I would take it into account. You haven't. You want me to just believe you, after you haven't believed me despite me providing a ridiculous level of proof.

I think you would have enjoyed the time we had this Bryzgalov dude, and a beer league goalie here defended him religiously. To the point where he accused @Sombastate of not knowing goaltending. Which proved to be an erroneous thing to do.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I think you would have enjoyed the time we had this Bryzgalov dude, and a beer league goalie here defended him religiously. To the point where he accused @Sombastate of not knowing goaltending. Which proved to be an erroneous thing to do.

i memer...

 

[Sombastate]

I think you would have enjoyed the time we had this Bryzgalov dude, and a beer league goalie here defended him religiously. To the point where he accused @Sombastate of not knowing goaltending. Which proved to be an erroneous thing to do.

I Miss that guy haha

 

[flyerslducks]

It will soon be over when we trade Frost to Ottawa for Pinto+ cap.

Pinto projects to be a 3rd line C....exactly what they want.

I love frost but I wouldn’t mind having pinto as well. Would be great to have them both tho

 

[tnfrs]

Those weren't PRs, but this conversation isn't about me. It's about you not admitting you're wrong. You said some stuff about JvR, it got proven wrong and you doubled down, and in the process attempted to attack me as if I didn't know what I was talking about. Then I proved to you that I do know what I'm talking about you moved the goal posts.

And guess what, you are still saying things with no backup. Best believe if you say something about statistics, I'm going to look into to it. I'm also a scientist who loves to look at data.

JvR's best seasons statistically (if you mean production) were 13-14, 16-17, 20-21. He played 80, 82, and 56, respectively. Sure one of those years he didn't play a lot, but two of the three he did.

View attachment 757455
He finished the 13-14 season with 31 points in the the last 41 games and the 16-17 season with 28 in the last 41 (16 in the last 22). Now, if you're looking at advanced metrics, his best year was 17-18, but he played 81 games. So you're comment that he was best only in shortened season isn't correct.

You still have not provided any proof that JvR wasn't fit going into camp. You're just saying things. If you had any inside information an article, or a video something said that, I would take it into account. You haven't. You want me to just believe you, after you haven't believed me despite me providing a ridiculous level of proof.

i wasnt talking just about points man and im only talking about philly years ive said that before, you dont wanna have the same conversation though so you keep highlighting his toronto years when he was in a system that prioritized everything im talking about, you see this as someone needs to be right or that you need to prove me wrong, and all I was saying was JVR isnt known a worker/cardio/world class athlete during his time here and thats true

also you dont know what youre talking about, nothing youve done in your rugby training is cross training for hockey, except to be a goon. nobody trains like that. you learning rugby doesnt make you qualified to talk about hockey training, and nothing youve said is even remotely in the realm.

i keep editing this because i keep seeing more wild non sense, but this is the second time today ive seen someone flex being a scientist on the internet, in a conversation about the flyers. and i think thats what charlie means by online fans. you do this a lot.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What

 

[BillDineen]

Not sure what is going on, but the rugby world cup final is this Saturday and should be a beauty. South Africa v New Zealand. If you have never watched rugby, this is a great time to try.

 

[Curufinwe]

I really wish England had held on vs SA. I think we would have cleaned them up no problem.

 

[deadhead]

The lineup is still in flux, but I think changes are in store over the next few weeks.

??? - Couts - Atkinson
Farabee - Cates - Brink [has been the Flyers best line, Brink is claiming a top 6, maybe a top 3 role]
Laughton - Frost - Tippett
Tippett doesn't look comfortable on the left side and I think that experiment is soon to end.
TK or Foerster will be the other LW

I think at some point trading for a LW makes sense, Lycksell is the only internal candidate this year and I want him to do more at ES to believe in him. Asking a lot of Foerster to start in the NHL on his "wrong" side.

They're stuck with Atkinson for now, but 4 goals already, get 20+ by the TDL and you might be able to move him. Have to eat some money/take a bad contract back.

York - Sanheim
Zamula - Walker
this foursome seems to be set until the TDL

Andrae - Seeler,
Andrae doesn't look ready and Seeler is more comfortable on the left side.
I might swap out Andrae for Attard if Risto is out for an extended period, otherwise when Risto returns, send Andrae down and bring up Belpedio or Mete for the 7th D-man until Staal returns.

Next season, Gauthier will probably start at LW, and maybe one or two AHL forwards will push for jobs. Bonk will probably stay in juniors unless he makes a big jump.

 

[Curufinwe]

The lineup is still in flux, but I think changes are in store over the next few weeks.

??? - Couts - Atkinson
Farabee - Cates - Brink [has been the Flyers best line, Brink is claiming a top 6, maybe a top 3 role]
Laughton - Frost - Tippett
Tippett doesn't look comfortable on the left side and I think that experiment is soon to end.
TK or Foerster will be the other LW

So, uh, if Foerster is the 1st line LW, then TK is a healthy scratch?

 

[deadhead]

So, uh, if Foerster is the 1st line LW, then TK is a healthy scratch?

That's why I expect a move at some point, either Foerster goes down to LHV or a RW gets traded and a LW is picked up.

This is all Brink's fault, they simply didn't expect him to be this good, this fast.