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JojoTheWhale

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I don't find this team boring, now the 2020-21 and 2021-22 Flyers, who mailed it in, that was boring, no worse, that was aesthetically distasteful. I can watch bad teams and root for kids who are trying (see the Sixers a few years ago) but not well paid athletes going through the motions.

I was looking for a conversation we had about how the early Process Sixers were fun and I found this from May 2021.

Let's blow it up and rebuild, and really be boring for another five years.
The team is boring because most of the best talent wasn't on the team until recently.

Farabee ain't boring, Allison ain't boring, if Sanheim could finish he wouldn't be boring, Myers certainly isn't boring (exciting for both teams), Frost if he returns won't be boring . . .

As they get younger, deeper and faster, they won't be boring.
But hold on to those veterans, because we like boring.

They’ve broken you. I get it now. They’ve broken most of us, myself included. You just want a reason to care. So do I.
 

deadhead

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Hextall slurping!

6/23/12 Holmgren traded JVR for L Schenn

7/2/14 McGinn (24) for 3rd rd
Coburn was traded on March 2, 2015, uh, that's the TRADE DEADLINE!!!!

6/27/15 Pronger and Grossman for Gagner and 2017 3rd
6/29/15 Rinaldo for Boston 3rd
1/6/16 Vinny and Schenn for Weal and 3rd rd pick
3/1/17 traded Streit for Filppula ($5M) and TB 4th, 7th

So between the 2015 TDL and the summer of 2017 he cleared out a bunch of basically scrubs and dead money for (3) 3rds and a 4th & 7th. Heck, CF traded Braun, Brown and MacEwen for a 3rd, 5th and 7th. Not impressed.l

The B Schenn trade came three years after he took over. Talk about dragging out a "rebuild."
Streit was traded in 2017 at age 39, why was he holding him for almost three years?
 

JojoTheWhale

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You can certainly criticize Hextall for not going further. I did then & still do now but that’s delusional.

The funny thing is mistakes Hextall made are currently made by this current regime again.

Remember the confusion around the Weise signing? Bloody hell. Almost no one had a problem with the player, just the term. Who would still give 4 years to an….oh.
 

deadhead

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I was looking for a conversation we had about how the early Process Sixers were fun and I found this from May 2021.



They’ve broken you. I get it now. They’ve broken most of us, myself included. You just want a reason to care. So do I.
Nah. I believe in rebuilding, and "blowing it up," but not tanking and being terrible for a long stretch and hope there's light at the end of a decade long tunnel.

The difference in the NBA is you can build around a couple high picks (the right ones) and a bunch of later 1st and 2nd rd picks - the Process was the right idea badly executed. Curious to see if OKC does it better. But unless the Greek Freak falls into your lap at #17, you need to pick high for a few years, top players are far more impactful in the NBA (but so are intangibles, a selfish star can cripple a franchise).

In hockey, you're more likely to find a star later in the first round, and you need 16 or so solid players, so its more like building a baseball team (guaranteed salaries but you need more than high draft picks).
 

freakydallas13

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Nah. I believe in rebuilding, and "blowing it up," but not tanking and being terrible for a long stretch and hope there's light at the end of a decade long tunnel.
The Flyers' light of the decade long tunnel is the current team in from of you, so I am more than okay trying something else.

I want this team to be more than just a perennial Minnesota/Calgary/Winnipeg who is just kind of mediocre forever.
 
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deadhead

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The Flyers' light of the decade long tunnel is the current team in from of you, so I am more than okay trying something else.

I want this team to be more than just a perennial Minnesota/Calgary/Winnipeg who is just kind of mediocre forever.
The reason these teams end up mediocre is the tendency of GMs (especially those on a short leash) to try to get over the top by spending assets (cap room, draft picks) instead of patiently building. Ottawa is doing the same thing. Florida just did that two years ago, got lucky with a hot Bob last year, now have cold Bob.

The key is patience, making the playoffs doesn't mean you're finished, do what TB did, build a really good team, and only then if you come up short deep in the playoffs, make a move or two to finish the job.
 
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freakydallas13

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The reason these teams end up mediocre is the tendency of GMs (especially those on a short leash) to try to get over the top by spending assets (cap room, draft picks) instead of patiently building. Ottawa is doing the same thing. Florida just did that two years ago, got lucky with a hot Bob last year, now have cold Bob.

The key is patience, making the playoffs doesn't mean you're finished, do what TB did, build a really good team, and only then if you come up short deep in the playoffs, make a more or two to finish the job.
If this offseason is any indication, it means Briere lacks patience (Hayes and TDA deals in particular).
 

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If this offseason is any indication, it means Briere lacks patience (Hayes and TDA deals in particular).
i disagree with this. especially with how many guys spent the summer training together, having vets around that arent engaged that way is just going to encourage young guys they dont have to train as hard. its pretty easy for a guy like hayes to rub off on guys the wrong way and thats what was happening. Hayes and even JVR are both known as lazy guys who show up to camp out of shape. Maybe not everyone here agrees on the importance of training, but its what makes guys like Crosby and McDavid great and that shit rubs off on their prospects. Thats the culture that needed to change and it needed to chance asap
 

deadhead

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If this offseason is any indication, it means Briere lacks patience (Hayes and TDA deals in particular).
The market made it clear they had no value when Duchene was bought out instead of traded.

Would you be happier if Frost was benched for Hayes b/c Briere wanted to inflate his value?
Or Zamula waived to make room for TDA?

Both those moves created short-term cap room, $5M this year, about $2M next next season.
Also got a 5th, 6th and most importantly, the rights to Rizzo.
 

freakydallas13

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The market made it clear they had no value when Duchene was bought out instead of traded.

Would you be happier if Frost was benched for Hayes b/c Briere wanted to inflate his value?
Or Zamula waived to make room for TDA?

Both those moves created short-term cap room, $5M this year, about $2M next next season.
Also got a 5th, 6th and most importantly, the rights to Rizzo.
Bro, it was you that said GMs need patience. Don't be upset that these moves had zero patience.

Also, yeah. Could you imagine Frost being benched? Thank god we avoided that nightmare scenario.
 

VladDrag

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i disagree with this. especially with how many guys spent the summer training together, having vets around that arent engaged that way is just going to encourage young guys they dont have to train as hard. its pretty easy for a guy like hayes to rub off on guys the wrong way and thats what was happening. Hayes and even JVR are both known as lazy guys who show up to camp out of shape. Maybe not everyone here agrees on the importance of training, but its what makes guys like Crosby and McDavid great and that shit rubs off on their prospects. Thats the culture that needed to change and it needed to chance asap
No, JVR is not known as that. He was know for the exact opposite….

 

VladDrag

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that was during his toronto days, not a big surprise thats been part of their team culture
how about this from 2022

JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK recalls receiving some critical advice early in his career.

"I knew this performance coach years ago," the Philadelphia Flyers winger said. "And I asked him, 'What's the one key thing that you've noticed from the guys that have longevity?' And he goes, 'They cut out all the bulls---.'"

That could be van Riemsdyk's new mantra. The 33-year-old is in the latter half of his career and experiences the body changes that come with it. So even though van Riemsdyk gets "great care" from Philadelphia's staff, he started exploring how to raise the bar in every health category and ensure more good years ahead on the ice.

"What [that coach] meant was that guys who last are very specific and intentional and targeted about what they're trying to accomplish," he said. "That's training on the ice with skill work, but it's also nutrition, sleep; they have it all in a good spot. You've got to know where your core principles should be. Those aren't necessarily the flashiest things, but I think those are how you get the best results."

Gyuran, who also works with van Riemsdyk, said the most common feedback she gets after a client switches diets is they "feel lighter and they can recover faster." That was the most immediate change van Riemsdyk felt after implementing his own new regime, which includes functional mushrooms for focus, sunflower butter cups for a treat and a wide range of cuisines.

"The two biggest improvements are recovery and energy levels," he said. "And then just how you sleep and how refreshed you feel waking up. I've always been into these sorts of things over the years and different edges you can find, whether it's supplements or nutrition or training. There are different times where you have to get educated about how to support what you want to try to accomplish, and then how you can supplement your recovery and energy and all the good stuff."
 
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freakydallas13

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Would you be happier if Frost was benched for Hayes b/c Briere wanted to inflate his value?
I really want to go back to this, it's living in my head rent free.

Are you saying Briere had no choice to trade Hayes this summer (and throw patience to the wind), because otherwise Frost might be benched?

Is this actually a thought that you are writing and expressing to me? I really need to know.
 

JojoTheWhale

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Nah. I believe in rebuilding, and "blowing it up," but not tanking and being terrible for a long stretch and hope there's light at the end of a decade long tunnel.

The difference in the NBA is you can build around a couple high picks (the right ones) and a bunch of later 1st and 2nd rd picks - the Process was the right idea badly executed. Curious to see if OKC does it better. But unless the Greek Freak falls into your lap at #17, you need to pick high for a few years, top players are far more impactful in the NBA (but so are intangibles, a selfish star can cripple a franchise).

In hockey, you're more likely to find a star later in the first round, and you need 16 or so solid players, so its more like building a baseball team (guaranteed salaries but you need more than high draft picks).

I don't know how else to say this. You're telling me you know how long a rebuild should take by definition. That's....whatever a polite word for f***ing nuts is.

You start rebuilding and you constantly re-evaluate your status or it's wrong.
 

Beef Invictus

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The problem was Hextall stopped trying to get younger after the 2014 TDL.

When they lucked into the playoffs in 2015-16 with a hot Mason, he thought he had already turned the team around, then when they caved in the next season, traded Schenn, then when they made the playoffs again, was complacent going into the 2018-19 season which got him fired.

That 2015-16 team only had a half dozen players 25 or under:
B Schenn (24), Couts (23), Cousins (22), Laughton (21), Gudas (25), Manning (25), Ghost (22)

When you need to lie this much then the point your trying to make isn't worth it.

0% of the team's problems are Hextall's fault now. Even all those shitty and awful processes he put in place, and maintained? Blame now lies with everyone maintaining them for many years on end.
 

Beef Invictus

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Hextall slurping!

6/23/12 Holmgren traded JVR for L Schenn

7/2/14 McGinn (24) for 3rd rd
Coburn was traded on March 2, 2015, uh, that's the TRADE DEADLINE!!!!

6/27/15 Pronger and Grossman for Gagner and 2017 3rd
6/29/15 Rinaldo for Boston 3rd
1/6/16 Vinny and Schenn for Weal and 3rd rd pick
3/1/17 traded Streit for Filppula ($5M) and TB 4th, 7th

So between the 2015 TDL and the summer of 2017 he cleared out a bunch of basically scrubs and dead money for (3) 3rds and a 4th & 7th. Heck, CF traded Braun, Brown and MacEwen for a 3rd, 5th and 7th. Not impressed.l

The B Schenn trade came three years after he took over. Talk about dragging out a "rebuild."
Streit was traded in 2017 at age 39, why was he holding him for almost three years?

Good god, it isn't "Hextall slurping" to point out that you're lying.
 

VladDrag

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I’m not saying they don’t work hard or anything of that nature but McDavid & Crosby were genetically put on third base. It makes for a great story & all that but the end of the day what separates them from is others is the genetics they were born with.
100% I don’t think the average person understands just how important genetics are in high level sports. You can train as hard as you want, but you're not going to train so much to get a 4.4 40-yard dash. You either can or you can't.
 

tnfrs

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how about this from 2022

JAMES VAN RIEMSDYK recalls receiving some critical advice early in his career.

"I knew this performance coach years ago," the Philadelphia Flyers winger said. "And I asked him, 'What's the one key thing that you've noticed from the guys that have longevity?' And he goes, 'They cut out all the bulls---.'"

That could be van Riemsdyk's new mantra. The 33-year-old is in the latter half of his career and experiences the body changes that come with it. So even though van Riemsdyk gets "great care" from Philadelphia's staff, he started exploring how to raise the bar in every health category and ensure more good years ahead on the ice.

"What [that coach] meant was that guys who last are very specific and intentional and targeted about what they're trying to accomplish," he said. "That's training on the ice with skill work, but it's also nutrition, sleep; they have it all in a good spot. You've got to know where your core principles should be. Those aren't necessarily the flashiest things, but I think those are how you get the best results."

Gyuran, who also works with van Riemsdyk, said the most common feedback she gets after a client switches diets is they "feel lighter and they can recover faster." That was the most immediate change van Riemsdyk felt after implementing his own new regime, which includes functional mushrooms for focus, sunflower butter cups for a treat and a wide range of cuisines.

"The two biggest improvements are recovery and energy levels," he said. "And then just how you sleep and how refreshed you feel waking up. I've always been into these sorts of things over the years and different edges you can find, whether it's supplements or nutrition or training. There are different times where you have to get educated about how to support what you want to try to accomplish, and then how you can supplement your recovery and energy and all the good stuff."
diet has nothing to do with being in shape and conditioning though, none of what he talks about mentions that. it talks about diet, and skill stuff. c'mon man.

100% I don’t think the average person understands just how important genetics are in high level sports. You can train as hard as you want, but you're not going to train so much to get a 4.4 40-yard dash. You either can or you can't.
this is just egregiously wrong lmao you have got to be kidding thats the most armchair never been to the gym in my life take ive ever heard
 
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