2023-24 Roster Thread #5: Where the boos aren't limited to Halloween

[tnfrs]

its 2023, its the future, its the year where athletes eating sunflower seeds is enough to stay in shape because of "genetics"

 

[VladDrag]

diet has nothing to do with being in shape and conditioning though, none of what he talks about mentions that. it talks about diet, and skill stuff. c'mon man.


this is just egregiously wrong lmao you have got to be kidding thats the most armchair never been to the gym in my life take ive ever heard

You don't know much about me do you. I was a high level athlete. I represented America playing in Rugby League. I was trained and coached by some of the best coaches in known in the rugby league world.

I know what it takes to get into and be into high level shape. Saying things like diet has nothing to do with being in shape is spoken like a guy who has quite literally never stepped foot into a gym. Diet and sleep are the MOST important part of athletic conditioning because it aids in recovery. It doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't perform to 100%.

I ran a sub-5 40...About a 4.7. I had ~36" vertical leap. I had a 375 squat, 450 deadlift, 275 benchpress (admittedly weaker than I wanted it to be).

I'm faster and stronger and fitter than you, I guarantee it.

Edit - I mistyped my vertical leap. I have a 50" box jump

 

[tnfrs]

You don't know much about me do you. I was a high level athlete. I represented America playing in Rugby League. I was trained and coached by some of the best coaches in known in the rugby league world.

I know what it takes to get into and be into high level shape. Saying things like diet has nothing to do with being in shape is spoken like a guy who has quite literally never stepped foot into a gym. Diet and sleep are the MOST important part of athletic conditioning because it aids in recovery. It doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't perform to 100%.

I ran a sub-5 40...About a 4.7. I had a 50" vertical leap. I had a 375 squat, 450 deadlift, 275 benchpress (admittedly weaker than I wanted it to be).

I'm faster and stronger and fitter than you, I guarantee it.

your online flexing and the things you say about training and the articles you post without reading and your interpretation of the whole thing, tells me not to take a single thing youve just said seriously. and theres no going back, i just dont believe you. and now im laughing lol

 

[Magua]

I'm faster and stronger and fitter than you, I guarantee it.

We need an abs thread.

 

[VladDrag]

We need an abs thread.

I played around 12-13% body fat, which wasn't quite low enough for consistent abs. In good lighting you could see them, or post game after I just burned about 1,000 calories. I was shorter, so if I played at 8-10% that most high level athletes played at, I would have been playing around 175-180. That's fine for your saturday leagues, but not for the higher levels. So I played around 190-195.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Give me 45 minutes to warm up and I’ll race any of you mofos.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

We need an abs thread.

I'll start:

This was created by consuming mass amounts of barley and hops, as well as a medication to help with a blood infection (my doctor never told me weight gain was a side effect).

Now that I'm diabetic, it's slowly going away.......

 

[VladDrag]

Give me 45 minutes to warm up and I’ll race any of you mofos.

My speed was good, but it wasn't elite. I was very good in short burst, 5-10 steps, or stepping around people. I was short and low to the ground so that's where I was. Kinda like Brink.

your online flexing and the things you say about training and the articles you post without reading and your interpretation of the whole thing, tells me not to take a single thing youve just said seriously. and theres no going back, i just dont believe you. and now im laughing lol

Take the L, buddy. Take the L.

 

[BernieParent]

Has Hathaway ever been suspended?

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/washington-capitals-garnet-hathaway-suspended-for-spitting-1.5366569

He has also been fined on a few occasions, the most recent of which was in the game against Columbus with the knee-on-knee on Werenski. Hathaway irked me because he seemed to be throwing borderline hits for which he would escape major penalties or suspensions. Call me biased due to the teams on which he played, though.

 

[deadhead]

Bro, it was you that said GMs need patience. Don't be upset that these moves had zero patience.

Also, yeah. Could you imagine Frost being benched? Thank god we avoided that nightmare scenario.

Patience, but also common sense.

There was no way either player was going to have more value in this market, while the $5M in cap room this year can be used to obtain additional assets.

 

[tnfrs]

My speed was good, but it wasn't elite. I was very good in short burst, 5-10 steps, or stepping around people. I was short and low to the ground so that's where I was. Kinda like Brink.


Take the L, buddy. Take the L.

youre the one that is trying to tell people here eating salad is more important than actually training. sure diet is important, but you still have to have conditioning and show up in shape not just have your vitamins organized. the other stuff about rugby is just funny because if you werent running in practice it was probably whale shit rugby.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I almost dunked once during pregame warm-ups. So close, yet so far.

 

[Beef Invictus]

its 2023, its the future, its the year where athletes eating sunflower seeds is enough to stay in shape because of "genetics"

Nobody said this.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean looking at how unhinged the management defenders already are during the annual "victory lap" stage before the collapse, then things are clearly gonna get weird and meltdowny in a couple months.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You don't know much about me do you. I was a high level athlete. I represented America playing in Rugby League. I was trained and coached by some of the best coaches in known in the rugby league world.

I know what it takes to get into and be into high level shape. Saying things like diet has nothing to do with being in shape is spoken like a guy who has quite literally never stepped foot into a gym. Diet and sleep are the MOST important part of athletic conditioning because it aids in recovery. It doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't perform to 100%.

I ran a sub-5 40...About a 4.7. I had ~36" vertical leap. I had a 375 squat, 450 deadlift, 275 benchpress (admittedly weaker than I wanted it to be).

I'm faster and stronger and fitter than you, I guarantee it.

Edit - I mistyped my vertical leap. I have a 50" box jump

I arrived at knowledge of how to train by doing everything wrong for years and ruining my meat.

 

[VladDrag]

youre the one that is trying to tell people here eating salad is more important than actually training. sure diet is important, but you still have to have conditioning and show up in shape not just have your vitamins organized. the other stuff about rugby is just funny because if you werent running in practice it was probably whale shit rugby.

Yeah, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that JVR wasn't known for showing up out of shape. He took care of his body in all aspects, including training, nutrition, sleep, recovery.

You said diet had nothing to do with conditioning, and questioned my knowledge physical fitness. Then I had to prove you wrong again.

This is all because you said a something you heard somewhere, but never verified. Was then proven wrong, and you doubled down on it. It's okay not to know something, it's okay to say, shit I was wrong.

And by the way, you shouldn't do conditioning at practice. You should do skill development at practice because brain function that is needed for skill development is significantly reduced once your body is in that state. You should do condition sessions independent of skill development practice.

 

[deadhead]

I don't know how else to say this. You're telling me you know how long a rebuild should take by definition. That's....whatever a polite word for f***ing nuts is.

You start rebuilding and you constantly re-evaluate your status or it's wrong.

If you blow it up, you're looking at close to a decade. If things work out, the only fast turnaround was Colorado, and they still had one playoff appearance in 7 years before they turned it around, with a #1 pick and lucking into Makar.

NJ got lucky with (2) #1 picks, and made the playoffs once in ten years (lost in the 1st rd).
Buffalo has gone 13 straight seasons without a playoff appearance
Toronto made the playoffs once in 11 years before their current run (finally got to the 2nd rd after 6 years).
Vancouver has made the playoffs once in the last 9 years.
Edmonton made the playoffs once in 13 years before their current run. Got the CF once in 4 years.

Point is you can suck for a decade, and still not build a SC caliber team.
Chicago has made the playoffs 1 in the last 6 years and will probably fall short for a few more seasons - and they won the lottery - imagine if they had Flyers' luck!

This doesn't mean that a rebuild should take "X" years, rather, the tank strategy almost assures you a very long stretch of bad hockey, with no guarantee you'll be any better at the end than CF's North Stars (6 PO appearances in a row, 3 100+ seasons, 2 second rd exits).

Rebuilding without blowing things up gives you a better chance of competing in my lifetime, and probably a similar probability of building a SC contender if you're patient (and don't prematurely declare "Mission Accomplished").

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If you blow it up, you're looking at close to a decade. If things work out, the only fast turnaround was Colorado, and they still had one playoff appearance in 7 years before they turned it around, with a #1 pick and lucking into Makar.

NJ got lucky with (2) #1 picks, and made the playoffs once in ten years (lost in the 1st rd).
Buffalo has gone 13 straight seasons without a playoff appearance
Toronto made the playoffs once in 11 years before their current run (finally got to the 2nd rd after 6 years).
Vancouver has made the playoffs once in the last 9 years.
Edmonton made the playoffs once in 13 years before their current run. Got the CF once in 4 years.

Point is you can suck for a decade, and still not build a SC caliber team.
Chicago has made the playoffs 1 in the last 6 years and will probably fall short for a few more seasons - and they won the lottery - imagine if they had Flyers' luck!

This doesn't mean that a rebuild should take "X" years, rather, the tank strategy almost assures you a very long stretch of bad hockey, with no guarantee you'll be any better at the end than CF's North Stars (6 PO appearances in a row, 3 100+ seasons, 2 second rd exits).

Rebuilding without blowing things up gives you a better chance of competing in my lifetime, and probably a similar probability of building a SC contender if you're patient (and don't prematurely declare "Mission Accomplished").

This is a cork board with 700 red strings connecting barbecues, caterpillars, and capacitors.

All of this is based on the idea that it takes close to a decade to rebuild, which is again, utterly baseless. I can’t respond to made up timelines because they don’t exist. Nor can I agree that what the Devils did in 2014 has the slightest bit of relevance to how they went about rebuilding in 2020. The premise is utterly absurd.

 

[bennysflyers16]

You don't know much about me do you. I was a high level athlete. I represented America playing in Rugby League. I was trained and coached by some of the best coaches in known in the rugby league world.

I know what it takes to get into and be into high level shape. Saying things like diet has nothing to do with being in shape is spoken like a guy who has quite literally never stepped foot into a gym. Diet and sleep are the MOST important part of athletic conditioning because it aids in recovery. It doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't perform to 100%.

I ran a sub-5 40...About a 4.7. I had ~36" vertical leap. I had a 375 squat, 450 deadlift, 275 benchpress (admittedly weaker than I wanted it to be).

I'm faster and stronger and fitter than you, I guarantee it.

Edit - I mistyped my vertical leap. I have a 50" box jump

Well you ain’t fatter than me.,,,,,

Oh I misplaced a vowel

 

[Beef Invictus]

If you blow it up, you're looking at close to a decade. If things work out, the only fast turnaround was Colorado, and they still had one playoff appearance in 7 years before they turned it around, with a #1 pick and lucking into Makar.

NJ got lucky with (2) #1 picks, and made the playoffs once in ten years (lost in the 1st rd).
Buffalo has gone 13 straight seasons without a playoff appearance
Toronto made the playoffs once in 11 years before their current run (finally got to the 2nd rd after 6 years).
Vancouver has made the playoffs once in the last 9 years.
Edmonton made the playoffs once in 13 years before their current run. Got the CF once in 4 years.

Point is you can suck for a decade, and still not build a SC caliber team.
Chicago has made the playoffs 1 in the last 6 years and will probably fall short for a few more seasons - and they won the lottery - imagine if they had Flyers' luck!

This doesn't mean that a rebuild should take "X" years, rather, the tank strategy almost assures you a very long stretch of bad hockey, with no guarantee you'll be any better at the end than CF's North Stars (6 PO appearances in a row, 3 100+ seasons, 2 second rd exits).

Rebuilding without blowing things up gives you a better chance of competing in my lifetime, and probably a similar probability of building a SC contender if you're patient (and don't prematurely declare "Mission Accomplished").

They didn't blow it up and so we are looking at well over a decade already. Now they're doing more of the same thing that led to this.

 

[trostol]

 

[deadhead]

your online flexing and the things you say about training and the articles you post without reading and your interpretation of the whole thing, tells me not to take a single thing youve just said seriously. and theres no going back, i just dont believe you. and now im laughing lol

Stop while you're behind.

For one thing, VladDrag is one of the few credible posters here, we may disagree, but he tries to make intelligent arguments and backs them up with evidence, not opinions pulled out of his posterior or crazed conspiracy theories.

My problem with JVR wasn't his conditioning, he was never that fast and visibly slowed due to age, but his style of play, big skilled forward who wanted to play a small forward's game. Only time he used his body was to park around the net to deflect shots.

 

[Cody Webster]

Give me 45 minutes to warm up and I’ll race any of you mofos.

I did a 45 minute, 16 mile, peloton ride earlier. Does that count?

 

[deadhead]

You don't know much about me do you. I was a high level athlete. I represented America playing in Rugby League. I was trained and coached by some of the best coaches in known in the rugby league world.

Now I know you're lying about diet.
I've drunk with Rugby players, Well, not with them as in trying to keep up, I"m not that stupid.

 

[tnfrs]

Now I know you're lying about diet.
I've drunk with Rugby players, Well, not with them as in trying to keep up, I"m not that stupid.

i mean its kind of a case study in how easy it is for even "high level athletes" to delude themselves into not training hard enough because of things like genetics instead of working past plateaus. either italian rugby players are just genetically superior to american rugby players or maybe the US team is following bad advice? a couple of articles from 7 years ago about skills training, and another article about diet looks great on the surface, and but that doesnt change the fact that hes showed up to camp with philly out of shape, so did hayes, and thats part of why they needed to go.