2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[Beef Invictus]

The point was that teams love "dinosaur" D-men.

Risto was much improved defensively last season, if Shaw can continue to get him to focus on positioning rather than hits, he'll have substantial value at say 3x3 or so next summer if they want to move him [they might wait until Attard and Bonk are established starters, not too many options in the system at RHD].

Schenn is a bad example of a dinosaur dman, considering he's still around because he added an offensive skillset he didn't used to have and worked with Adam Oates in the summers to do so.

 

[deadhead]

if the Flyers are anywhere near the PO hunt something went terribly wrong

No, with this roster, if they're a PO team, their players are a lot better than fans thought.
When you're a PO team with a full pipeline and a draft heavy with picks, that's usually a GOOD thing.

What would be bad is if they signed free agents and traded picks to make the playoffs.

 

[Tripod]

Reminder...Flyers were a playoff team....with the #1 prospect pool in hockey.

Development matters

 

[blackjackmulligan]

No, with this roster, if they're a PO team, their players are a lot better than fans thought.
When you're a PO team with a full pipeline and a draft heavy with picks, that's usually a GOOD thing.

What would be bad is if they signed free agents and traded picks to make the playoffs.

they may go that route. Time will tell

Reminder...Flyers were a playoff team....with the #1 prospect pool in hockey.

Development matters

many overrated prospects it appears. Doesn't excuse the flyers incompetence mind you.

Over the last say 10 years. Teams that had a top 3 prospect pool. How have they made out? Anyone care to look?

 

[Tripod]

they may go that route. Time will tell


many overrated prospects it appears. Doesn't excuse the flyers incompetence mind you.

Over the last say 10 years. Teams that had a top 3 prospect pool. How have they made out? Anyone care to look?

It's not overrated when you have:

CHL goalie of the year
WHL Dman of the year
SHL player of the year
Guy being top CHL dcorer
Guy putting up PPG stats unseen in 20 years in WHL
#2 overall pick
Top pairing Dman for Canada at WJC
A top scorer at WJC
Multiple guys who were their top guys on their team at the WJC
Top goalie at WJC
Honey Baker finslst
A top scorer in NCAAA
Frozen 4 MVP

AND THESE WERE ALL DIFFERENT GUYS

Then we also had a slew of guy's who were 40 goal scorers in CHL, or NCAA All Stars, or WJC guys

Yet we did not DEVELOP, arguably any, more than their expected potential. Maybe Konecny...but he seems to have gotten there despite the development, not because of it.

So while we ARE on track to having a good prospect pool in the near future, you still have to develop those prospect properly at the AHL level and in the 1st few years of NHL. And the Flyers are still littered with archaic thinkers AND DOERS from top to bottom. They have done nothing to think they will not f*** things up again, regardless how good prospects are when drafted or before the Flyers get their grubby hands on them.

But I have a busy day, so likely won't anymore on this topic. enjoy your day!

 

[Beef Invictus]

It's not overrated when you have:

CHL goalie of the year
WHL Dman of the year
SHL player of the year
Guy being top CHL dcorer
Guy putting up PPG stats unseen in 20 years in WHL
#2 overall pick
Top pairing Dman for Canada at WJC
A top scorer at WJC
Multiple guys who were their top guys on their team at the WJC
Top goalie at WJC
Honey Baker finslst
A top scorer in NCAAA
Frozen 4 MVP

AND THESE WERE ALL DIFFERENT GUYS

Then we also had a slew of guy's who were 40 goal scorers in CHL, or NCAA All Stars, or WJC guys

Yet we did not DEVELOP, arguably any, more than their expected potential. Maybe Konecny...but he seems to have gotten there despite the development, not because of it.

So while we ARE on track to having a good prospect pool in the near future, you still have to develop those prospect properly at the AHL level and in the 1st few years of NHL. And the Flyers are still littered with archaic thinkers AND DOERS from top to bottom. They have done nothing to think they will not f*** things up again, regardless how good prospects are when drafted or before the Flyers get their grubby hands on them.

But I have a busy day, so likely won't anymore on this topic. enjoy your day!

TK was one of the crowd who eventually deduced it was gonna be best to ignore coaching and do his own thing. Probably a big reason why they wanted to trade him for a while.

 

[renberg]

There is no development in the organization when Lappy is the HC for the top farm team and that team does not play the same systems as the pro club.
Flyers player development has been non existent for over a decade. The only guys that make it up to Philly are those that have so much skill that they get to the show despite what the Flyers did with them prior to coming to the big club.

 

[VladDrag]

Development is as easy as giving younger players confidence and ice time. Allow their strengths at lower levels to become strengths in the AHL/NHL. Then work on the other parts of them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Development is as easy as giving younger players confidence and ice time. Allow their strengths at lower levels to become strengths in the AHL/NHL. Then work on the other parts of them.

It's that simple and the Flyers do the opposite.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It's not overrated when you have:

CHL goalie of the year
WHL Dman of the year
SHL player of the year
Guy being top CHL dcorer
Guy putting up PPG stats unseen in 20 years in WHL
#2 overall pick
Top pairing Dman for Canada at WJC
A top scorer at WJC
Multiple guys who were their top guys on their team at the WJC
Top goalie at WJC
Honey Baker finslst
A top scorer in NCAAA
Frozen 4 MVP

AND THESE WERE ALL DIFFERENT GUYS

Then we also had a slew of guy's who were 40 goal scorers in CHL, or NCAA All Stars, or WJC guys

Yet we did not DEVELOP, arguably any, more than their expected potential. Maybe Konecny...but he seems to have gotten there despite the development, not because of it.

So while we ARE on track to having a good prospect pool in the near future, you still have to develop those prospect properly at the AHL level and in the 1st few years of NHL. And the Flyers are still littered with archaic thinkers AND DOERS from top to bottom. They have done nothing to think they will not f*** things up again, regardless how good prospects are when drafted or before the Flyers get their grubby hands on them.

But I have a busy day, so likely won't anymore on this topic. enjoy your day!

The end result ended up being overrated. Didn't live up to the hype. Cant blame it all on the flyers development.

There is no development in the organization when Lappy is the HC for the top farm team and that team does not play the same systems as the pro club.
Flyers player development has been non existent for over a decade. The only guys that make it up to Philly are those that have so much skill that they get to the show despite what the Flyers did with them prior to coming to the big club.

beyond baffling. Makes zero sense. Shows incompetence. Also tells me the co-gm/coach doesn't care one iota about the phantoms or prospects.

 

[freakydallas13]

Development is as easy as giving younger players confidence and ice time. Allow their strengths at lower levels to become strengths in the AHL/NHL. Then work on the other parts of them.

Confidence? Ice time? Best I can do is alienation.

 

[ponder719]

Confidence? Ice time? Best I can do is alienation.

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Alienation? These players are worth way more than that!

OK, OK, you pushed me. I'll throw in forbidding them from doing any of the things that made them worth drafting in the first place, but that's my final offer.

 

[deadhead]

It's not overrated when you have:

CHL goalie of the year
WHL Dman of the year
SHL player of the year
Guy being top CHL dcorer
Guy putting up PPG stats unseen in 20 years in WHL
#2 overall pick
Top pairing Dman for Canada at WJC
A top scorer at WJC
Multiple guys who were their top guys on their team at the WJC
Top goalie at WJC
Honey Baker finslst
A top scorer in NCAAA
Frozen 4 MVP

AND THESE WERE ALL DIFFERENT GUYS

Then we also had a slew of guy's who were 40 goal scorers in CHL, or NCAA All Stars, or WJC guys

Yet we did not DEVELOP, arguably any, more than their expected potential. Maybe Konecny...but he seems to have gotten there despite the development, not because of it.

So while we ARE on track to having a good prospect pool in the near future, you still have to develop those prospect properly at the AHL level and in the 1st few years of NHL. And the Flyers are still littered with archaic thinkers AND DOERS from top to bottom. They have done nothing to think they will not f*** things up again, regardless how good prospects are when drafted or before the Flyers get their grubby hands on them.

But I have a busy day, so likely won't anymore on this topic. enjoy your day!

Most of the top players spent liitle or no time in the AHL.

TK, Provorov, Patrick, Farabee right to NHL, Lindblom spent half a year in the AHL, Hart spent half a year in the AHL.
Top prospects simply don't spend a lot of time being developed.

And no one went elsewhere and shined, unlike Verhaeghe, Tippett, etc.
Numerous players have been blocked or badly developed and emerged on other teams (see Buffalo), but not the Flyer prospects.
Therefore, it's more likely they were overrated.

 

[Tripod]

Most of the top players spent liitle or no time in the AHL.

TK, Provorov, Patrick, Farabee right to NHL, Lindblom spent half a year in the AHL, Hart spent half a year in the AHL.
Top prospects simply don't spend a lot of time being developed.

And no one went elsewhere and shined, unlike Verhaeghe, Tippett, etc.
Numerous players have been blocked or badly developed and emerged on other teams (see Buffalo), but not the Flyer prospects.
Therefore, it's more likely they were overrated.

You are a moron if you believe that guys don't develop once they reach the NHL.

Oh wait, you talked ad nauseam how TK got bethere going from 4th line to 1st line.

When you have the CHL, SHL, NCAA, WjC, etc... resumes that all these guys had, only to STOP developing, or show little improvement , shows it's an organizational issue. Christ, 2 years ago you were displaying Willman as an example of the organization developing players well. Shit on a stick.

DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND.....it's what you do.

 

[deadhead]

You are a moron if you believe that guys don't develop once they reach the NHL.

Oh wait, you talked ad nauseam how TK got bethere going from 4th line to 1st line.

When you have the CHL, SHL, NCAA, WjC, etc... resumes that all these guys had, only to STOP developing, or show little improvement , shows it's an organizational issue. Christ, 2 years ago you were displaying Willman as an example of the organization developing players well. Shit on a stick.

DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND.....it's what you do.

So how come they don't go elsewhere and develop like numerous players on other teams have done?
You can find examples on almost any team of players that organizations gave up on that went on to have success elsewhere, or take their game to a much higher level.

Yet all those "great" prospects have done nada since leaving Philly.
Myers, waived by one team, sent to the minor by his next team.
NAK, allowed to walk in favor of two veteran bottom six forwards, then waived by Toronto
Friedman, AAA+ in Pittsburgh, Twarynski in Seattle. Bunnaman.
Vorobyev took 3 seasons to become a top 6 forward in the KHL.
Ratcliffe was released by the team that claimed him.

The only player to leave the Flyers the last decade and improve has been Cousins.

Now there's been some bad luck, Lindblom, Patrick, Laberge, but Rubtsov, JOB, etc. just bad drafting.

 

[FlyerNutter]

This team hasn’t developed more than two superstars since what the early 90s? In 30 years lol.

Terrific scouting. Terrific development.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Pascal Laberge is 2 years away from a blue ox sidekick.

 

[renberg]

What’s with this chatter about trading Frost to Ottawa for Shane Pinto? Is this for real or a Eklund joke?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

What’s with this chatter about trading Frost to Ottawa for Shane Pinto? Is this for real or a Eklund joke?

i called it last year..

Torts wants "toilet seat" gone... he only wants grinders... not skill players

 

[Beef Invictus]

What’s with this chatter about trading Frost to Ottawa for Shane Pinto? Is this for real or a Eklund joke?

Well, it is the Flyers. Do with that information what you will.

 

[Larry44]

Listen to Hayes diss Torts. “He only wants fighters….” https://x.com/andystrickland/status/1704220189410099347?s=46&t=PSOAhHo7oDwK6fo_qWZr1w

 

[Beef Invictus]

So much for the "No active players slam Tortorella publicly!" defense.

I'm sure now we will hear about how this doesn't count.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Listen to Hayes diss Torts. “He only wants fighters….” https://x.com/andystrickland/status/1704220189410099347?s=46&t=PSOAhHo7oDwK6fo_qWZr1w

Organizational Spiritual Leader

Right into Teutoburg Forest

 

[Flyerfan4life]

So much for the "No active players slam Tortorella publicly!" defense.

I'm sure now we will hear about how this doesn't count.

what does Hayes know... its not like hes on the team or in the dressing room..

oh wait!!!

 

[Larry44]

what does Hayes know... its not like hes on the team or in the dressing room..

oh wait!!!

Hayes WAS the dressing room! Glad he’s gone, hope Torts is next.