2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[Flyerfan4life]

I assume you wear Capri pants?

Zing...

ps we dont kink shame here

 

[deadhead]

Multiple sources have said the flyers were offered offered 1st+2nd.....with not one mentioning taking back a big cap dump. You are fabricating that to justify a deal not getting done. It's what you do. Defend everything!

"Multiple sources" or one source repeated multiple times. With no details (remember the screaming over the Provorov deal over initial reports, then all the details became available).

When an offer sounds too good to be true, it's probably isn't.
I just doubt St Louis giving that much for Laughton, given their cap situation, giving a 1st and 2nd and taking on $3M of cap room is unlikely.
With Hayes, they retained the high picks, and retained some flexibility to use a draft pick in a deal to clear some cap room (they only have $300K head room).

 

[JojoTheWhale]

"Multiple sources" or one source repeated multiple times. With no details (remember the screaming over the Provorov deal over initial reports, then all the details became available).

When an offer sounds too good to be true, it's probably isn't.
I just doubt St Louis giving that much for Laughton, given their cap situation, giving a 1st and 2nd and taking on $3M of cap room is unlikely.
With Hayes, they retained the high picks, and retained some flexibility to use a draft pick in a deal to clear some cap room (they only have $300K head room).

Please give some of us the tiniest bit of credit in being able to differentiate between trade details leaking out over an hour and an extremely credible reporter going on the record with an offer. They're not the same thing and you understand exactly why.

Not everyone was going nuts at the first mention of the Provorov trade.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Truly, Flyers management has never lost a move or misjudged value. You can tell because the team is in such great shape.

 

[deadhead]

Please give some of us the tiniest bit of credit in being able to differentiate between trade details leaking out over an hour and an extremely credible reporter going on the record with an offer. They're not the same thing and you understand exactly why.

Not everyone was going nuts at the first mention of the Provorov trade.

I'll give some of you (especially you in particular) credit for not going nuts at the first mention of the Provorov trade, there are a few sensible people on this board, but also a lot who engage in knee jerk reactions.

Going on record with an offer is not the same as a detailed description of the entire deal.
When I see something that seems a little too good to be true, my skepticism sets in.

With Couts and Atkinson returning, and the addition of Hathaway (who is better than I realized, scores at a middle six rate, good metrics, good forechecker), I can't see them desperately holding on to Laughton. They may like him, but not THAT much if that offer was true.

My suspicion is there was more to the deal than say #29 and Toronto's 2024 2nd.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'll give some of you (especially you in particular) credit for not going nuts at the first mention of the Provorov trade, there are a few sensible people on this board, but also a lot who engage in knee jerk reactions.

Going on record with an offer is not the same as a detailed description of the entire deal.
When I see something that seems a little too good to be true, my skepticism sets in.

With Couts and Atkinson returning, and the addition of Hathaway (who is better than I realized, scores at a middle six rate, good metrics, good forechecker), I can't see them desperately holding on to Laughton. They may like him, but not THAT much if that offer was true.

My suspicion is there was more to the deal than say #29 and Toronto's 2024 2nd.

Hathaway is a very good 4th liner. I distinctly remember praising Boston for getting him as the 2nd guy in the Orlov deal.

What I would say to the rest of it is that you've maintained all along that culture and vet presence is important. And while I don't agree to the degree you do, the Flyers do as evidenced by giving term to guys like Deslauriers and Hathaway. Given that scope, them valuing Laughton highly as a shepherd feels not just on brand to me, but so much so that I'm surprised you don't agree.

I would also point out that Laughton's AAV is low enough that more teams can fit him easily, Flyers included. I don't personally buy into the idea that he would get a Tampa bump because no one else so far has been willing to pay it. But it's there and it's a possibility. I can't say I know.

 

[deadhead]

Hathaway is a very good 4th liner. I distinctly remember praising Boston for getting him as the 2nd guy in the Orlov deal.

What I would say to the rest of it is that you've maintained all along that culture and vet presence is important. And while I don't agree to the degree you do, the Flyers do as evidenced by giving term to guys like Deslauriers and Hathaway. Given that scope, them valuing Laughton highly as a shepherd feels not just on brand to me, but so much so that I'm surprised you don't agree.

I would also point out that Laughton's AAV is low enough that more teams can fit him easily, Flyers included. I don't personally buy into the idea that he would get a Tampa bump because no one else so far has been willing to pay it. But it's there and it's a possibility. I can't say I know.

It would be more credible if it wasn't St Louis, as I've pointed out, they are weighed down by 3-4 year veteran contracts to players over 30.
So it's hard to imagine them throwing away high draft picks without cap relief that would give them flexibility to compete now.
I expect them to make a deal in the next few weeks to clear a contract, using one of those picks as a sweetener.
You can't go into a season with $300K cap room - that totally ties your hands.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It would be more credible if it wasn't St Louis, as I've pointed out, they are weighed down by 3-4 year veteran contracts to players over 30.
So it's hard to imagine them throwing away high draft picks without cap relief that would give them flexibility to compete now.
I expect them to make a deal in the next few weeks to clear a contract, using one of those picks as a sweetener.
You can't go into a season with $300K cap room - that totally ties your hands.

There is no way you'd ever consider it credible, because you refuse to believe all information that flies against your conviction that the Flyers do no wrong.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They're learning.

 

[CutOnDime97]

 

[Curufinwe]

Makes sense.

 

[deadhead]

Be interesting to see if we get national TV Boucher or if he feels pressure to be "homer" Boucher.

 

[Curufinwe]

They're learning.

People complain about the Saudis using their money to sportwash, but it's better than them using it to pay for flying lessons that don't include how to land.

 

[Rebels57]

They're learning.

Im shocked Scott Laughton wasnt photoshopped into this

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Im shocked Scott Laughton wasnt photoshopped into this

Laughton isn't American and Tortorella probably thinks that Farabee is too soft to represent America.

 

[renberg]

People complain about the Saudis using their money to sportwash, but it's better than them using it to pay for flying lessons that don't include how to land.

A Turk once told me that God created three scourges to ruin the earth-earthquakes fires and Arabs.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Laughton isn't American and Tortorella probably thinks that Farabee is too soft to represent America.

Cal Petersen's shorts tho?

 

[ponder719]

Im shocked Scott Laughton wasnt photoshopped into this

Good work not replacing the moon with Torts' face.

 

[wankstifier]

"Primary analyst" leaves open the possibility of some guest appearances by Jones

 

[ponder719]

"Primary analyst" leaves open the possibility of some guest appearances by Jones

Not the optimal solution, but it's better than JJ being a one man booth when Boosh is doing national games.

(fr, Hartnell probably fills in, same as last year, but someone's going to have to.)

 

[Curufinwe]

Laughton isn't American and Tortorella probably thinks that Farabee is too soft to represent America.

He seems like the sort who would get American citizenship eventually. Hmm, I always assumed Allison was American cause he came up thru the USHL and Omaha, but he's Canadian.

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[Matti Mich]

People are complaining about the G trade? We got a 1st, 3rd and a 23 year old forward who scored 27 goals.
It's called "rebuilding." It was the right move to make and a good return (and helped the Flyers finish low enough to garner Michkov).

That's separate from bad decision making regarding Sanheim, Risto and TDA.
The rebuild should have started with that trade.

The real issue is that it was reported that Giroux only wanted to go to FLA because CF wouldn't tell Giroux that he would be resigned over the off season. I CF did his job correctly you tell the guy you will resign him, trade him to COL, get a bigger return, and then get Giroux back on team friendly deal. and if then Giroux decides hes done with the Flyers than you already maximized his trade value by not being limited to trading him to only FLA

 

[deadhead]

The real issue is that it was reported that Giroux only wanted to go to FLA because CF wouldn't tell Giroux that he would be resigned over the off season. I CF did his job correctly you tell the guy you will resign him, trade him to COL, get a bigger return, and then get Giroux back on team friendly deal. and if then Giroux decides hes done with the Flyers than you already maximized his trade value by not being limited to trading him to only FLA

Problem was what did Giroux mean by "resigning."
A deal to finish his career would be a 3 year or longer with a NTC.
Doubt G meant to resign to a one year deal with no trade protection.

 

[Matti Mich]

Problem was what did Giroux mean by "resigning."
A deal to finish his career would be a 3 year or longer with a NTC.
Doubt G meant to resign to a one year deal with no trade protection.

Right now he's signed for 6.5AAV, if he were to sign a sweetheart deal at what 4.5-5AAV is that unreasonable for 3 years? I think there was more value in leaving resigning as a real possibility and maximizing your most valuable trade asset, than closing the door on someone who's jersey number is more than likely going to hang in the rafters, and having your hands tied on where you can move the guy.

 

[deadhead]

Right now he's signed for 6.5AAV, if he were to sign a sweetheart deal at what 4.5-5AAV is that unreasonable for 3 years? I think there was more value in leaving resigning as a real possibility and maximizing your most valuable trade asset, than closing the door on someone who's jersey number is more than likely going to hang in the rafters, and having your hands tied on where you can move the guy.

First, we got a better deal from Florida than Colorado would have offered, in hindsight. Barron, etc haven't done much, Tippett had 27 goals.

Second, if you're rebuilding, last thing you want is G back, you're stuck with Couts and Atkinson right now, all G could do is take another top roster spot and hurt the "tank."

When his Ottawa deal is done, if the Flyers are competitive at that point, he could be a veteran pickup for a young team.