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2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

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deadhead said:
Some people here like to exaggerate.

When both were at center full-time, they were 2a and 2b, playing the same amount of minutes at ES.
Neither is proven, Frost is the better offensive player, Cates was an elite defensive center last year.

Ideally, they're used situationally, Frost getting more time when behind and offensive zone starts, Cates getting more time with leads and matched against certain opposing centers.

This will also depend on Couts' health, he was an elite defensive center before his back injury, if he returns to that level, Cates role would be reduced, if not, then Cates becomes the primary "stopper."
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Please point out the exaggerations.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
To be clear, I wasn’t criticizing you. I apologize for not making that evident.

I think your explanations of why they do what they do are more often than not correct. It’s just that we’re on something like Year 7 where the reasoning is shit. I know you get caught up in their wake sometimes, but that’s entirely on the org.
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There are two different issues:
1) does what they do make sense given their strategy (i.e. good tactics)
2) does their strategy make sense.

The primary problem in my eyes the last decade or so has been strategy, many of their moves made sense given their strategy, but their strategic vision was clouded, to be charitable. CF is a good example, given Holmgren's mandate, his moves in the summer of 2019 made sense, by 2021 there was no coherent strategy and even his "tactics" reeked of cognitive dissonance.
 
deadhead said:
Some people here like to exaggerate.

When both were at center full-time, they were 2a and 2b, playing the same amount of minutes at ES.
Neither is proven, Frost is the better offensive player, Cates was an elite defensive center last year.

Ideally, they're used situationally, Frost getting more time when behind and offensive zone starts, Cates getting more time with leads and matched against certain opposing centers.

This will also depend on Couts' health, he was an elite defensive center before his back injury, if he returns to that level, Cates role would be reduced, if not, then Cates becomes the primary "stopper."
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Interesting, thanks for the insight! Will be fascinating to see how they end up deploying lines at even strength. I assume Frost will get PP1 and Cates was always PK1 anyway
 
JohnLennon said:
Interesting, thanks for the insight! Will be fascinating to see how they end up deploying lines at even strength. I assume Frost will get PP1 and Cates was always PK1 anyway
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Cates actually looked better on the PP than Frost last year, though they have different roles.
Frost plays better on the move, and may need time to get comfortable on a NHL PP.
With Couts, Atkinson, Foerster, both will probably start the season on PP2.

Foerster is the name to watch this season on the Flyers, power forward who improved his skating, excellent shot and much better vision than expected - 7 points in an 8 game cameo wasn't a fluke.
 
deadhead said:
Some people here like to exaggerate.

When both were at center full-time, they were 2a and 2b, playing the same amount of minutes at ES.
Neither is proven, Frost is the better offensive player, Cates was an elite defensive center last year.

Ideally, they're used situationally, Frost getting more time when behind and offensive zone starts, Cates getting more time with leads and matched against certain opposing centers.

This will also depend on Couts' health, he was an elite defensive center before his back injury, if he returns to that level, Cates role would be reduced, if not, then Cates becomes the primary "stopper."
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Weird how the "exaggerations" always seem to end up being right.

It's almost like they're stone-cold, reasonable evaluations.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
Weird how the "exaggerations" always seem to end up being right.

It's almost like they're stone-cold, reasonable evaluations.
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They’re just “exaggerations” until not even the biggest turd polishers can deny that they’re factually accurate statements.

Then at that point they’re technically true, but actually don’t even matter and actually didn’t make any difference and are actually a good thing if you look at them in this one specific abstract dishonest context.
 
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Striiker said:
They’re just “exaggerations” until not even the biggest turd polishers can deny that they’re factually accurate statements.

Then at that point they’re technically true, but actually don’t even matter and actually didn’t make any difference and are actually a good thing if you look at them in this one specific abstract dishonest context.
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def. still not a mistake thou...🤣
 
Reichel should have played more in the NHL last year. They didn’t have anybody really else available to them that screamed should be in the NHL. The rest of their top prospects were playing in college or juniors last year.
 
Magua said:
Most aren’t on the team yet. So, they have stop-gap players. Surely, this isn’t revelatory.
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Really? B/c a lot of people around here think the Flyers shouldn't sign stop-gap players.
Are the Flyers so deep in their rebuild they have NHL prospects lined up like planes at La Guardia?
 
deadhead said:
Really? B/c a lot of people around here think the Flyers shouldn't sign stop-gap players.
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The Flyers sign players to multiple years — or don’t trade them — to block out the few young players who are NHL ready.

The Flyers aren’t really rebuilding. People would love a tear down rebuild with stop gaps. But there is no stop. And there is no gap.
 
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Magua said:
The Flyers sign players to multiple years — or don’t trade them — to block out the few young players who are NHL ready.

The Flyers aren’t really rebuilding. People would love a tear down rebuild with stop gaps. But there is no stop. And there is no gap.
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No, they're not rebuilding the way YOU want them to. That's not the same as not rebuilding.

They're accumulating draft picks, added Tippett (G trade should have initiated the rebuild), Grans and Rizzo in trades, did not sign any veterans to long-term deals or extend older players.
Signed Poehling (24), Hathaway who's highly marketable to a 2 year deal, and Staal to a 1 year deal.

They drafted a high pick they won't see for three years, encouraged Gauthier to stay in college for another year, drafted goalies they may not see for 5 years - doesn't sound like a "win now" strategy to me.

They may not be as aggressive in the rebuild as some would like, but it's pretty obvious from both their statements and actions that they're committed to rebuilding.

Briere inherited Couts, Atkinson, Deslauriers, Sanheim and Risto.
He's already dumped Hayes and TDA and let JVR walk. Traded Provorov
 
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The biggest move of the "rebuild" may well be the Giroux trade. If the Flyers had kept G there's no way that they would have finished as low as they did after he was moved out. He would have dragged this team into the 8-12 draft pick level. That means no Cutter Gauthier or Matvei Michkov. Hard to believe that Fletcher accidentally got the ball rolling in the right direction.
 
deadhead said:
Really? B/c a lot of people around here think the Flyers shouldn't sign stop-gap players.
Are the Flyers so deep in their rebuild they have NHL prospects lined up like planes at La Guardia?
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The whole problem is that the Flyers don't sign stop gaps. They sign a series of guys who will never leave the roster while they're healthy. They aren't holding down the fort until the next gen is ready.
 
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deadhead said:
No, they're not rebuilding the way YOU want them to. That's not the same as not rebuilding.

They're accumulating draft picks, added Tippett (G trade should have initiated the rebuild), Grans and Rizzo in trades, did not sign any veterans to long-term deals or extend older players.
Signed Poehling (24), Hathaway who's highly marketable to a 2 year deal, and Staal to a 1 year deal.

They drafted a high pick they won't see for three years, encouraged Gauthier to stay in college for another year, drafted goalies they may not see for 5 years - doesn't sound like a "win now" strategy to me.

They may not be as aggressive in the rebuild as some would like, but it's pretty obvious from both their statements and actions that they're committed to rebuilding.

Briere inherited Couts, Atkinson, Deslauriers, Sanheim and Risto.
He's already dumped Hayes and TDA and let JVR walk. Traded Provorov
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They're not even rebuilding the way you think they are. You just have no understanding of the team or what they're doing
 
renberg said:
The biggest move of the "rebuild" may well be the Giroux trade. If the Flyers had kept G there's no way that they would have finished as low as they did after he was moved out. He would have dragged this team into the 8-12 draft pick level. That means no Cutter Gauthier or Matvei Michkov. Hard to believe that Fletcher accidentally got the ball rolling in the right direction.
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I think Fletcher knew they had to rebuild, he just wasn't willing to confront Scott and Barber and force the issue. So he tried to have it both ways.
 
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