2023-24 Roster Thread 3: We Three Flyers

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Cates is fine at 3C. Second half of last season, Frost and Cates were 2a and 2b.
So if Couts is close to 100%, a lot less pressure on Frost and Cates.

Foerster would be a good RW for Cates, good playmaker who is also physical, good fit for an "energy line" that can also contribute offensively. Question is who is a good fit for them at LW. Maybe Laughton if he isn't moved.
As a 3C, Cates wouldn't be expected to generate a lot of offense, and his defense and ability to fill multiple roles makes him valuable.
 
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Cates is fine at 3C. Second half of last season, Frost and Cates were 2a and 2b.
So if Couts is close to 100%, a lot less pressure on Frost and Cates.

Foerster would be a good RW for Cates, good playmaker who is also physical, good fit for an "energy line" that can also contribute offensively. Question is who is a good fit for them at LW. Maybe Laughton if he isn't moved.
As a 3C, Cates wouldn't be expected to generate a lot of offense, and his defense and ability to fill multiple roles makes him valuable.

1a and 1b.
 

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Cates is fine at 3C. Second half of last season, Frost and Cates were 2a and 2b.
So if Couts is close to 100%, a lot less pressure on Frost and Cates.

Foerster would be a good RW for Cates, good playmaker who is also physical, good fit for an "energy line" that can also contribute offensively. Question is who is a good fit for them at LW. Maybe Laughton if he isn't moved.
As a 3C, Cates wouldn't be expected to generate a lot of offense, and his defense and ability to fill multiple roles makes him valuable.
I think atkinson would be perfect for a 3rd line that has Cates and Foerster, hes got the skating and the passing that Cates and T-force dont have, Cates can focus on the defensive side and Foerster and Cam are both responsible enough forwards to not be total liabilities even if they take a few chances, plus it gives Cam a chance to get his legs back since at 34 hes probably lost a few more steps than Coots has
 

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Cates is fine at 3C. Second half of last season, Frost and Cates were 2a and 2b.
So if Couts is close to 100%, a lot less pressure on Frost and Cates.

Foerster would be a good RW for Cates, good playmaker who is also physical, good fit for an "energy line" that can also contribute offensively. Question is who is a good fit for them at LW. Maybe Laughton if he isn't moved.
As a 3C, Cates wouldn't be expected to generate a lot of offense, and his defense and ability to fill multiple roles makes him valuable.
When Cates plays center you automatically start without the puck . He was bottom 5 in the F ing league last year in faceoffs . He is not a center man no matter how much you and Tortès think he is but both of you like the square peg round hole thing so bomb away .
 

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When Cates plays center you automatically start without the puck . He was bottom 5 in the F ing league last year in faceoffs . He is not a center man no matter how much you and Tortès think he is but both of you like the square peg round hole thing so bomb away .
Cates can learn faceoffs, and if he doesnt i dont think Torts keeps him there but everyone has pretty bad faceoff numbers in their first few seasons but you definitely have a point
 

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When Cates plays center you automatically start without the puck . He was bottom 5 in the F ing league last year in faceoffs . He is not a center man no matter how much you and Tortès think he is but both of you like the square peg round hole thing so bomb away .
I have a clear recollection of G playing LW and taking big faceoffs anyway. If Cates has trouble figuring out faceoffs, it's entirely possible that one of his wings takes the draw, then they switch defensive responsibilities so Cates is effectively playing center once the puck is dropped.
 

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I have a clear recollection of G playing LW and taking big faceoffs anyway. If Cates has trouble figuring out faceoffs, it's entirely possible that one of his wings takes the draw, then they switch defensive responsibilities so Cates is effectively playing center once the puck is dropped.

The way the Giroux/Couturier dynamic worked was far from a normal "wing and center" relationship. To me they were co-centers, with 28 operating in the role when attacking and 14 taking the lead when defending.

I'd honestly be fine trying to deploy Frost and Cates as a very, very poor man's version of that dynamic. Let Cates be the deep puck support guy in the defensive zone so Frost can take the first pass rather than having to make it (because, let's be real, the D won't be doing much of that). That way he can do what he does best more often, which is carry the puck through the neutral zone. Slap Tippett or Foerster on their wing and you have a good mucker/playmaker/sniper dynamic.
 

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The way the Giroux/Couturier dynamic worked was far from a normal "wing and center" relationship. To me they were co-centers, with 28 operating in the role when attacking and 14 taking the lead when defending.

I'd honestly be fine trying to deploy Frost and Cates as a very, very poor man's version of that dynamic. Let Cates be the deep puck support guy in the defensive zone so Frost can take the first pass rather than having to make it (because, let's be real, the D won't be doing much of that). That way he can do what he does best more often, which is carry the puck through the neutral zone. Slap Tippett or Foerster on their wing and you have a good mucker/playmaker/sniper dynamic.
Ya that middle 6 will be able to rotate together in different configurations easily for different situations without being mirror images of each other and I think thats the goal. TK and Coots being the 1st line for now, Frost Cates Foerster and Tippet are the middle. We're still weak on the left but Farabee and Atkinson can be up and down the lineup effectively
 

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Ugh.

Every dumbass version of this league over the years has always insisted that the current generation of youth aren't physical or tough enough, not like the old days. Every single one. Embracing that as their entire identity and going all in by building around Tortorella is a disaster. It will continue being a disaster until everyone is fired and the entire office and its approach to the sport is rebuilt from scratch. They don't want to work on skills or creativity. They've never wanted to. They think there's too much of that already. No, they want to focus on being TOUGH.
 

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Worth a listen. A+ development strategies on display. Why is this moron teaching kids anything.


its weird seeing him talk about what it takes to make it to the NHL because he never ended up playing significant minutes in the NHL, but that was mostly due to injuries. I dont have a problem with his answers but the guys gave him some pretty standard questions
 

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its weird seeing him talk about what it takes to make it to the NHL because he never ended up playing significant minutes in the NHL, but that was mostly due to injuries. I dont have a problem with his answers but the guys gave him some pretty standard questions

The impression he gave off to me is all he’s ready to teach these guys to to play harder, and more physical.

“It’s what got me to be a first rounder” or whatever BS he said.
 

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The impression he gave off to me is all he’s ready to teach these guys to to play harder, and more physical.

“It’s what got me to be a first rounder” or whatever BS he said.
I think he was just using that as an example, he was talking about skill guys who need to add things to their game so theyre not just waiting for the puck
 

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Worth a listen. A+ development strategies on display. Why is this moron teaching kids anything.


Those who can't, teach.

I actually didn't mind what he said. Wants to use positive reinforcement and video to help a guy see his flaws. At least with Sam, he knew what he was and wasn't delusional. And he knows how hard it is to make it, and stay in the NHL. He knows not to take things for granted. Also the work coming back after those 2 injuries would be tiresome, frustrating and depressing. He is a good guy to chat with who isn't just looking to tear you down.
 

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At this point, the next generation is in place when Clarke’s posse is gone. It’s never going to end.
I think Jonesy might be able to start steering the ship in the right direction. He knows the league and he has an idea of where the game is trending and what other hockey people around the league are saying and doing and even though the flyers have been an old boys club the whole league is overall and you need people with relationships everywhere. We've always just isolated ourselves and wont really deal with certain teams like the Penguins. Jones knows Sakic and Yzerman on that level.
 

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Keith Jones is a f***ing idiot when it comes to assessing players and the modern game. The only steering he should do is the Maggie Simpson variety below:

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Just feed him false information so he can leak it to his media pals -- which has been his M.O. so far -- unwittingly.
 

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I think Jonesy might be able to start steering the ship in the right direction. He knows the league and he has an idea of where the game is trending and what other hockey people around the league are saying and doing and even though the flyers have been an old boys club the whole league is overall and you need people with relationships everywhere. We've always just isolated ourselves and wont really deal with certain teams like the Penguins. Jones knows Sakic and Yzerman on that level.

His ideal players are Hagg and Ristolainen, he'll steer them into the sewage treatment pond. If he wasn't more of the same he wouldn't have been hired. They know him and trust him not to actually change anything. Because actual change would require getting rid of a lot of people. His purpose is maintaining the usual club while lying to fans about the same thing being different.
 
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tnfrs

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Keith Jones is a f***ing idiot when it comes to assessing players and the modern game. The only steering he should do is the Maggie Simpson variety below:

maggie-and-marge-driving.gif


Just feed him false information so he can leak it to his media pals -- which has been his M.O. so far -- unwittingly.
pres of hockey ops wont have much say in the players, but he'll be the guy that can bring in more strength and conditioning guys or training staff and those type of decisions
 

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Those who can't, teach.

I actually didn't mind what he said. Wants to use positive reinforcement and video to help a guy see his flaws. At least with Sam, he knew what he was and wasn't delusional. And he knows how hard it is to make it, and stay in the NHL. He knows not to take things for granted. Also the work coming back after those 2 injuries would be tiresome, frustrating and depressing. He is a good guy to chat with who isn't just looking to tear you down.
Sam may have known what he was, but this team had no clue. After juniors they told him to forget everything he knew about offence and focus on being a stay at home defender.

Didn't even give him a chance show the team they were wrong, gotta pigeon hole every prospect before the team even get their hands on them.
 
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