2023-24 Roster Thread 2: The Days Get Longer Edition

[Ghosts Beer]

I totally relate to you man, I always had anxiety/panic attack issues, but the past 2 years have been by far the hardest years I had ever had to deal with, if im being honest, it damn near costed me my marriage, it's gotten to the point where I haven't even driven in more than a year because my panic attacks are so bad, I got in the car a few days ago, made it to the second stop sign and had a full blown panic attack, and it's maybe 75 yards of driving I was able to do, which was progress from the previous attempt, hell its not even just driving, i can be having a good day, spending time with the wife and what not, and go into a full blown panic, i honestly wouldnt even wish it on fletcher or my worst enemy, when I do get panic attacks it hurts my body so badly, that it legit feels like I've been in a serious car accident, my entire body hurts for a solid week, and stay nauseous (which unfortunately messes with my panic attacks much more because my biggest fear is puking) but I get how bad mental health can be so if you ever need to talk homie feel free to shoot me a message, that's why I work from home, because it's gotten to the point where I can't go, and can't get the meds right so it's a struggle, but having said all of this, I see zero issues with him going out with friends, everyone's mental health hits them differently, and he shouldnt be put on blast for doing something that can absolutely help him

Damn. Hope you get better.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Damn. Hope you get better.

Thanks man, it's definitely not easy

 

[DAVIDE1333]

In four days do we have to rename this thread?

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I value my sanity.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Catesy is the worst nickname of all time.

 

[Striiker]

The person who runs the social media accounts needs to be the very next firing.

 

[Chinatown88]

The person who runs the social media accounts needs to be the very next firing.

#StriikerTakeover

 

[Curufinwe]

Catesy is the worst nickname of all time.

Leiersy was worse

 

[BillDineen]

 

[deadhead]

Briere has a good sense of balance, "I'm not shopping these guys but to be fair to the team I have to listen to every offer . . ."

This is the right approach, you don't want players like TK and Hart to feel like they're being thrown away (especially if they don't get traded), but if someone "Makes an offer I can't refuse" . . .

Same with acknowledging that the Broad Street Bully days are long gone, but Philly is a blue collar town, and the team should be competitive and hard to play against - which means the template is more Carolina or Vegas than NJ or Toronto. A balance of skill and physicality.

He mentions that the last decade was patchwork, and he is going to rebuild from the ground up, not tank, but not try to take shortcuts.

Some of this is just keeping his cards close to his vest, the league knows he's rebuilding, but he doesn't want to send the message that it's a fire sale, and he'll just take the first decent offer. I'm sure he's been lowballed on a regular basis the last couple weeks, but the Provorov trade signaled that he has a grasp on value.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

- learning on the fly

- up front about the rebuild and not looking to tank, want to stay competitive with Torts. Seems kind of like the same idiotic plan the prio 2 GM's tried to implement. Stay in the middle lane hope for the best.

- Adding Sharp and Leclair will help with the development. Didn't say how. They have no track record but winning experience winning cups

- Not looking to trade TK, Hart, or Laughton but will listen. Actions will show what he is about. Says not calling GM's abt but will listen. Unreal if he really isn't calling GM's about those players.

- "Philly way" - BSB do not exist. Still a need for physically especially the playoffs.

- need a team identity, cant be soft or pushovers. building a culture and right standard. Said something abut that being non negotiable.

- Will not acquire players that don't fit with what Torst wants (my interpretation). Players who fit with what they are trying to do. Didn't say what they are trying to do.

- too much patchwork the last 10 years. Need to build it from ground up, yet not looking to trade the ones who need to go.

- most pressing need: get good young players to help us down the road. Needs to add center depth at the nhl level.


Seems like several contradictory statements to me. Speaks confidently enough and he does seem to know what he wants to do. We all shall see shortly.

 

[deadhead]

What they're trying to do seems very similar to Carolina, fast aggressive forecheck, mobile D-men, play hard, disciplined hockey.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Briere has a good sense of balance, "I'm not shopping these guys but to be fair to the team I have to listen to every offer . . ."

This is the right approach, you don't want players like TK and Hart to feel like they're being thrown away (especially if they don't get traded), but if someone "Makes an offer I can't refuse" . . .

Same with acknowledging that the Broad Street Bully days are long gone, but Philly is a blue collar town, and the team should be competitive and hard to play against - which means the template is more Carolina or Vegas than NJ or Toronto. A balance of skill and physicality.

He mentions that the last decade was patchwork, and he is going to rebuild from the ground up, not tank, but not try to take shortcuts.

Some of this is just keeping his cards close to his vest, the league knows he's rebuilding, but he doesn't want to send the message that it's a fire sale, and he'll just take the first decent offer. I'm sure he's been lowballed on a regular basis the last couple weeks, but the Provorov trade signaled that he has a grasp on value.

no they should be shopped. IF TK and the rest get their feelings hurt oh well.

Philly isnt a blue collar down, its a welfare town lol.

talk is cheap as far as the rebuild.

 

[deadhead]

no they should be shopped. IF TK and the rest get their feelings hurt oh well.

Philly isnt a blue collar down, its a welfare town lol.

talk is cheap as far as the rebuild.

No. The way to kill value is to appear overeager to move players you don't have to move.
You can't put lipstick on a pig, Hayes, TDA, but you can look like you're panicking by shopping players that have real value.
You get value in trades by being patient. Negotiating 101, don't bid against yourself.

In the case of Hart, he can't be traded until after the report on the incident is released, and he's cleared of any suspicion of wrong doing.

 

[Striiker]

I pity anyone who only follows the Flyers.

Having another team in another sport that you’re able to focus on is the only way forward because this team is going to remain a pathetic irrelevant joke for decades. Like the Oilers, minus the high draft picks.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

No. The way to kill value is to appear overeager to move players you don't have to move.
You can't put lipstick on a pig, Hayes, TDA, but you can look like you're panicking by shopping players that have real value.
You get value in trades by being patient. Negotiating 101, don't bid against yourself.

In the case of Hart, he can't be traded until after the report on the incident is released, and he's cleared of any suspicion of wrong doing.

shopping them will not harm their value in any way. Be proactive dont wait until they come to you.

No one said not to be patient. Laughton needs to go at or by the draft. If not that is a big mistake.

I would bet these teams have a real good idea (if they dont know 100%) who is involved and who isnt. He can be traded if a team makes a good enough offer and the GM wants to move him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What they're trying to do seems very similar to Carolina, fast aggressive forecheck, mobile D-men, play hard, disciplined hockey.

Rofl. No. Good Lord, no. For your next trick perhaps you can claim Shanahan was always trying to become Andy Reid.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I pity anyone who only follows the Flyers.

Having another team in another sport that you’re able to focus on is the only way forward because this team is going to remain a pathetic irrelevant joke for decades. Like the Oilers, minus the high draft picks.

Do people that only like one sport exist?

That’s terrifying to me.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

What good could possibly come of Briere stating publicly that he is actively shopping specific players?

I do not understand this expectation in the slightest.

Nothing good can come of it.

He’s plenty capable of talking all the names he wants in private conversations with teams.

And I’m sure teams are plenty aware of where he stands without him blabbing everything to reporters.

 

[deadhead]

And by saying they really like a player like Laughton, he's signalling that it'll take a good offer to part with the player, setting a better negotiating position.

Same with someone like Seeler, if people are only offering a 6th, by staying firm he's holding out for the possibility of a better pick at some point - so the cost of the option is the opportunity cost of the missed pick, but the option payoff comes if he eventually lands a 4th.

He's not going to bother to do that with Hayes or TDA, because that simply wouldn't be credible.
Forget Torts, everyone and his mother knows a rebuilding team is going to want to move a 31 year old forward with 3x7 left on his contract.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

- learning on the fly

- up front about the rebuild and not looking to tank, want to stay competitive with Torts. Seems kind of like the same idiotic plan the prio 2 GM's tried to implement. Stay in the middle lane hope for the best.

- Adding Sharp and Leclair will help with the development. Didn't say how. They have no track record but winning experience winning cups

- Not looking to trade TK, Hart, or Laughton but will listen. Actions will show what he is about. Says not calling GM's abt but will listen. Unreal if he really isn't calling GM's about those players.

- "Philly way" - BSB do not exist. Still a need for physically especially the playoffs.

- need a team identity, cant be soft or pushovers. building a culture and right standard. Said something abut that being non negotiable.

- Will not acquire players that don't fit with what Torst wants (my interpretation). Players who fit with what they are trying to do. Didn't say what they are trying to do.

- too much patchwork the last 10 years. Need to build it from ground up, yet not looking to trade the ones who need to go.

- most pressing need: get good young players to help us down the road. Needs to add center depth at the nhl level.


Seems like several contradictory statements to me. Speaks confidently enough and he does seem to know what he wants to do. We all shall see shortly.

not one thing has changed..

5 years away from being 5 years away...

 

[blackjackmulligan]

And by saying they really like a player like Laughton, he's signalling that it'll take a good offer to part with the player, setting a better negotiating position.

Same with someone like Seeler, if people are only offering a 6th, by staying firm he's holding out for the possibility of a better pick at some point - so the cost of the option is the opportunity cost of the missed pick, but the option payoff comes if he eventually lands a 4th.

He's not going to bother to do that with Hayes or TDA, because that simply wouldn't be credible.
Forget Torts, everyone and his mother knows a rebuilding team is going to want to move a 31 year old forward with 3x7 left on his contract.

Then teams look elsewhere and your out left with a JVR situation. Seeler isnt going to increase his value at this point.

No issue no dealing laughton yet despite being offered a late first by multiple teams. He should be moved by or at the draft, do you disagree?

 

[deadhead]

Then teams look elsewhere and your out left with a JVR situation. Seeler isnt going to increase his value at this point.

No issue no dealing laughton yet despite being offered a late first by multiple teams. He should be moved by or at the draft, do you disagree?

He should be moved if the price is right, if they were offered a late first, the three teams that probably made that offer pick #27, #29, #30.
With the draft eleven days away, there is no reason to jump on that kind of offer.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He should be moved if the price is right, if they were offered a late first, the three teams that probably made that offer pick #27, #29, #30.
With the draft eleven days away, there is no reason to jump on that kind of offer.

Yes dont jump now. By the draft if that offer is still there you take it. No need to carry him into the season if your rebuilding for a variety of reasons.

 

[Adam Warlock]

no they should be shopped. IF TK and the rest get their feelings hurt oh well.

Philly isnt a blue collar down, its a welfare town lol.

talk is cheap as far as the rebuild.

I actually don't mind the patience. Guys like Hayes and TDA should be moved once a decent offer is on the table...but TK, Hart, Laughton, Sanheim, etc have actual value that needs to he maximized. If the market isnt there this summer, it might be better at the TDL.

The selling phase of this rebuild needs to last longer than just this summer.