2023-24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate

[Tripod]

14 out of the 16 playoff teams have a top 3 pick on their team.

 

[Beef Invictus]

they just simply are ignoring the positions that are important when it comes to making the playoffs and advancing, boston is killing florida because they lost ekblad, kings are beating the oilers because they have no defenseman, for some reason if we get bedard, we are cup favorites, highly doubt it, our defense and goaltending isnt getting it done, if they shut bedard and our defense and goaltending is the same as this year, wont make a difference.

Literally nobody is doing this

 

[Beef Invictus]

And yeah, that the counterpoint is "what about the team in the verge of playing on a frozen YMCA pool" isn't a very good counter, given that team is better positioned going forward to boot. The Flyers are already a league-wide punchline and it's only going to get worse.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

The Flyers need to employ some Tao Te Ching type philosophy like in order to get better you must get worse. Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu were pretty wise guys and the Flyers should take heed. My theoretical guide to making the Flyers relevant:

A)trade TK, Provy, Hart and maybe Sanheim over the next couple years. Let’s say from trading a few of those guys we get 3 1sts and a couple good prospects.
a)add 3 1sts and 2 good prospects
b)become a terrible team
B)be terrible for next few years
a)get 3 top 4 picks
b)try out depth prospects for an extended time to see if we have any keepers
C)suddenly the Flyers have 3 blue chip prospects that they can build the team around, 7 overall from this year, 1st from trade, 1st from trade, 1st from trade, Florida 1st next year, prospect from trade, prospect from trade, Gauthier, Frost, Farabee, York, Foerster, and whoever surprises from prospects selected after 1st round
D)suddenly the future doesn’t look so bleak

 

[Flyerfan4life]

14 out of the 16 playoff teams have a top 3 pick on their team.

see those 2 other teams did it right .


hahaa

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

The team with the best regular season record in modern history is beating the 8th seed because the cats are missing a guy...is certainly a take

 

[freakydallas13]

Allison did about as well as a player can given the usage...

no idea why he became a whipping boy when played pretty well in the minutes he played.

Played like a solid 3rd line forward without luck assist wise.

0.72 G.60 (5th on team)
0.96 iXG/60 (4th on team)

48.52 ExGF % (4th on team)
+0.09 ExGF rel (5th on team)

Probably because we have a coach (and apparently some posters here) who think alienating certain players is a good thing.

Seems asinine to me.

 

[freakydallas13]

In all seriousness, how many coaches have had that kind of front office voice and it turned out well? Were any of them this century?

He's only been here a YEAR. It's not like he has a long term involvement with this team or has any reason to be given this much authority.

Imaging punting on searching for a GM and handing it to the biggest stooge in your organization after the decade this team had. All because they don't want to hurt the feelings of a blowhard coach who alienates players and doesn't even bother coaching sometimes, and who has only been on the team for one year.

What an inspiring hire.

 

[deadhead]

Torts wants to get younger and faster, he's been clear about that.
That will take time, most of your draft picks after the first 15 picks will be whiffs, even if you're good at drafting, and will take 3-5 years to become NHL starters when you hit.

You don't have to try to tank, just trade veterans and keep adding young players, over time either you'll get lucky and won't need that high pick (land a Point or Pastrnak) or you won't and you'll be picking high.

What you should be doing in a rebuild is focus on garnering young assets. A lot of top players on PO teams are obtained through trades, as are a lot of prospects. If you build a pool of young players and draft picks you can target top players.

Even if Torts/Briere "fail," they will leave behind a much better talent pipeline b/c they're committed to rebuilding - and the next GM will have far more to work with than the last decade.

 

[Deadpool8812]

14 out of the 16 playoff teams have a top 3 pick on their team.

The Flyers have Kevin Hayes

 

[Starat327]

Lets just get the caveat of :
There is no earthly way a Tortorella led "rebuild" leaves a better crop of assets and team flexibility than what Fletcher was handed.

out of the way of this

Briere and Torts are going to be great at rebuilding and will do it better than anyone else has" thing.

 

[deadhead]

The Flyers have Kevin Hayes

Not for long.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

We’ve asked for them to “trade veterans and keep adding (and playing) young players” for years and have been told in multiple paragraph form how that’s not a good idea, it doesn’t matter, or even called doing that tanking.

So pardon my lulz here when I see that it’s presented as some new and noble idea.

Also, while I’m here the idea that Tortorella and his patsy Briere couldn’t possibly leave the organization in a worse spot than it is in now is purely based in Torts fantasy and hopium. It’s not based in reality. Sure, they COULD leave it in a better position but it’s not the only scenario.

 

[deadhead]

We’ve asked for them to “trade veterans and keep adding (and playing) young players” for years and have been told in multiple paragraph form how that’s not a good idea, it doesn’t matter, or even called doing that tanking.

So pardon my lulz here when I see that it’s presented as some new and noble idea.

Also, while I’m here the idea that Tortorella and his patsy Briere couldn’t possibly leave the organization in a worse spot than it is in now is purely based in Torts fantasy and hopium. It’s not based in reality. Sure, they COULD leave it in a better position but it’s not the only scenario.

It wasn't whether it was good or bad, as long as Scott and the advisors ran the show, it wasn't permitted. You KNOW that. Last time Flyers traded a starter for picks was Schenn in the summer of 2017, until the G trade last year. And even then, Hextall turned around and signed JVR (trade a center, sign a LW when you're thin at center, then trade for Filppula, and we wonder how he got fired?).

How much worse could this team get talent wise?
As long as you focus on rebuilding, you tend to accumulate talent even by accident.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It wasn't whether it was good or bad, as long as Scott and the advisors ran the show, it wasn't permitted. You KNOW that. Last time Flyers traded a starter for picks was Schenn in the summer of 2017, until the G trade last year. And even then, Hextall turned around and signed JVR (trade a center, sign a LW when you're thin at center, then trade for Filppula, and we wonder how he got fired?).

How much worse could this team get talent wise?
As long as you focus on rebuilding, you tend to accumulate talent even by accident.

That’s not what the argument has always been though. Recently, sure, it’s been pivoted towards that but over the years it hasn’t been.

It could get a lot worse considering the organization is putting all of their eggs in the John Tortorella basket and that terrifies pretty much everyone here except for two people. We don’t believe that he knows how to recognize players in the year 2023.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts wants to get younger and faster, he's been clear about that.
That will take time, most of your draft picks after the first 15 picks will be whiffs, even if you're good at drafting, and will take 3-5 years to become NHL starters when you hit.

You don't have to try to tank, just trade veterans and keep adding young players, over time either you'll get lucky and won't need that high pick (land a Point or Pastrnak) or you won't and you'll be picking high.

What you should be doing in a rebuild is focus on garnering young assets. A lot of top players on PO teams are obtained through trades, as are a lot of prospects. If you build a pool of young players and draft picks you can target top players.

Even if Torts/Briere "fail," they will leave behind a much better talent pipeline b/c they're committed to rebuilding - and the next GM will have far more to work with than the last decade.

He has no been clear about getting younger and faster. He had opportunities to, and refused to use them. Those actions are what matters. He openly scorns youth and he yearns for grinders.

He is not the coach you think he is. You've fallen for a fantasy version of Tortorella you dreamed up and who does not exist in the real world.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It wasn't whether it was good or bad, as long as Scott and the advisors ran the show, it wasn't permitted. You KNOW that. Last time Flyers traded a starter for picks was Schenn in the summer of 2017, until the G trade last year. And even then, Hextall turned around and signed JVR (trade a center, sign a LW when you're thin at center, then trade for Filppula, and we wonder how he got fired?).

How much worse could this team get talent wise?
As long as you focus on rebuilding, you tend to accumulate talent even by accident.

Scott was always irrelevant, the advisors are still here, and a GM trained in their mold is running the show with an archaic coprolite of a coach who thinks like them.

Tortorella wants more grinders. If Briere seems that, you're going to see how they can get worse.

 

[deadhead]

Torts in his first year turned Frost, Tippett, Cates, and York into solid starters.
Allison also was given a starting job, though his problem isn't Torts but injuries sapping some of his mojo.
When was the last time the Flyers developed 4 young starters in one season?

Who exactly did he alienate?
Sanheim? A under achiever who just got overpaid
Provorov? A career under achiever who is overpaid
Hayes? A veteran center who got called out for lack of defense and did respond.
TDA? Who knows what he did, but it's not like he wasn't given every chance to succeed

Sanheim is the only one likely to return, and he needs to be pushed, he's glided through his career as a Flyer, showing flashes of talent but never consistently producing like he should. He's 27 next season, making $6M a year, time to step it up.

 

[Starat327]

lol

 

[Cody Webster]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

What is even the balls? What?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

You don't have to try to tank, just trade veterans and keep adding young players, over time either you'll get lucky and won't need that high pick (land a Point or Pastrnak) or you won't and you'll be picking high.

What you should be doing in a rebuild is focus on garnering young assets.

My left eye will not stop twitching. How many tens of thousands of words have I wasted on how important volume drafting is? And now this?

 

[dragonoffrost]

The team with the best regular season record in modern history is beating the 8th seed because the cats are missing a guy...is certainly a take

And Florida is playing Alex Lyon as their goalie...

 

[gertbfrobe16]

Optionality