Starat327
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A Wiseman here once said "I have only myself to blame."
2023-24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate
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A Wiseman here once said "I have only myself to blame."
BackToTheBrierePatch
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He was a absolute disaster to the surprise of absolutely no one.
BernieParent
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A non-tank could potentially work, but only if a) the Flyers GM and scouts identify the high-end talent that multiple other organizations didn't and b) the Flyers system develops this talent to the player's ceiling. What gives us any confidence that they can do either of these things well? They have failed much more than succeeded with volume drafting, trading assets to move up, and receiving additional draft picks to move back.
JojoTheWhale
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Pitching changes happen at one pitch intervals. NHL TOI decisions generally are not made even on a game by game basis let alone in something like individual shifts. You get variation, sure, but you don't get the type of changes that move your average TOI all that much.
The only possible hockey equivalent here is Goalies and even then it's problematic.
Gregor Samsa
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Yeah, it’s tough to tell who’s more to blame, the Flyers’ scouting or their developmental team, maybe both. At this point I don’t trust them and just want blue chip prospects with pedigree. I’d take my chance there
As an aside, the Flyers might as well slap the GM tag on Torts. Maybe he’ll get pissed off enough next season and lace up the skates. It will at least give up the opportunity to see the vaunted GM/coach/player unicorn
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Flyerfan4life
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Just watched Farabee on Nasty Knuckles. Apparently he doesn't view this as a rebuild and doesn't think that they are far off. Also seems to really appreciate the brutal honesty that Torts is treating them with.
I'm more and more getting the sense that the situation inside the locker room is very different from what is speculated on here.
I'm more and more getting the sense that the situation inside the locker room is very different from what is speculated on here.
Starat327
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Yeah, I typically shit talk my boss in public spaces. Not sure why these cowards arent.
Come on Torts isn't going to be a vindictive prick. We know he isn't.
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He's not AV. For one thing, he loves dogs. So you know he's decent at heart.
He also got kicked by a horse ....He's not AV. For one thing, he loves dogs. So you know he's decent at heart.
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Before the end of the 2022-23 season, Frost indicated that No. 48 has grown on him and he'll likely keep it. Frost wore No. 68 his first two couple of training camps -- not in honor of Jaromir Jagr, just because it was assigned to him. He was ambivalent about No. 48 at first (also assigned to him) but kind of likes that it's Danny Briere's old number. Before becoming special assistant to former general manager Chuck Fletcher and then interim GM, Briere did some on-ice work with Frost and was one of the player's staunchest supporters in the organization even when others (including head coach John Tortorella) were down on him and uncertain if he was an NHL-worthy player.
Striiker
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Nah, that makes sense.
Most fans are stupid, most players are stupid, and stupid people love Torts.
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Why would Farabee, a current player on this team, say anything different?
Magua
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Was there not a big story where Farabee’s agent went to management and complained about his usage? That he didn’t ask for a trade, but he was unhappy with Tortorella?
What an active player says in a podcast about his current team is a big whatever.
What an active player says in a podcast about his current team is a big whatever.
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Exactly. Only the gullible would believe what Farabee said.
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O'Connor wrote an article today talking about the 4 rumored candidates (Shero, Wilson, Mellanby, Poulin), and it felt like the "This is Fine" meme.
He was also weirdly complimentary of Shero in the article/comments, writing shit like this:
He didn't. Sullivan wasn't even hired as an AHL coach until the year after Shero was canned. He didn't even hire Johnston. Charlie just totally mixed up Shero and Rutherford's tenure. Shero made 3 coaching hires in his managerial career. He re-signed Therrien, replaced him with Bylsma (6 years), and in Jersey hired Hynes (5 years). That's it. He also never mentioned the Fletcher connection, where Fletcher was AGM/advisor to Shero in Pittsburgh and Jersey. When you really dive into his career, you realize what a totally mediocre HockeyGuy™ he is. Inheriting generational talents, lottery ball luck, and an ability to unshackle 2 Cup contenders immediately upon his absence -- that is Ray Shero.
He was also weirdly complimentary of Shero in the article/comments, writing shit like this:
He didn't. Sullivan wasn't even hired as an AHL coach until the year after Shero was canned. He didn't even hire Johnston. Charlie just totally mixed up Shero and Rutherford's tenure. Shero made 3 coaching hires in his managerial career. He re-signed Therrien, replaced him with Bylsma (6 years), and in Jersey hired Hynes (5 years). That's it. He also never mentioned the Fletcher connection, where Fletcher was AGM/advisor to Shero in Pittsburgh and Jersey. When you really dive into his career, you realize what a totally mediocre HockeyGuy™ he is. Inheriting generational talents, lottery ball luck, and an ability to unshackle 2 Cup contenders immediately upon his absence -- that is Ray Shero.
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Can we hire him for just the lottery ball luck?
ponder719
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Only if he's let go immediately thereafter. I don't want this team to get any more Penguin on it than it has to.
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Of the four guys mentioned in COC’s article, Shero is the guy with whom I would really have a problem. IDK about Mellanby. Poulin or Wilson would be fine.
Wilson has a nice body of work which can be evaluated as successful. The only thing with him is the situation with his health. I was in Milwaukee when he was with the Hawks. The general feeling about him was that he was a stand up guy; a hard worker who kept his nose clean which was not easy with that club at that time. He’d blend in well with the current people in the FO of the Flyers.
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Magua
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Poulin is almost assuredly the very worst -- and that's saying something. He was a disciple of the Burke/Nonis group that torpedoed the Leafs to a similar point in which the Flyers find themselves now. Screams smart rebuild. He hasn't worked in a front office in a decade, and he was a decade behind the times the last time he did. He's a terrible commentator. He was a bad college coach. There's not one single positive thing to which you could point. Worst of all, it would hurt Cap's heart to see another hero tarnished.
At least with Wilson you could say he built that Sharks team from the ground up for a decade and a half of real contending. There was a lot of sustainable good. His core aged out, it ran its course, he bled assets at the end, but none of that is necessarily unforgivable as a next-stop PoHO. That team fell out of contending naturally. Even his last acquisitions like Karlsson were bets on league best talent. Is he just at the Poile(ing) point where he's over the hill? Maybe. I'm rationalizing the least bad option -- with zero Flyers connections -- here.
The fact the Flyers want a PR-type more than a manager but with "hockey knowledge," who also won't step on God Emperor Tortorella's toes, which tells me they don't really know what they want. It's mixed messaging, per usual. And it sounds less tempting a job opening than some people make out. That's why we're being fed the names of has-beens and never-was's.
Players are not going to trash their coach management or their teammates in public . People on here thinking they will or are are morons .
BernieParent
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Coaches trashing their players? Whole other story.
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