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Prospect Info: 2023-24 Prospect Info (CHL, NCAA, Europe)

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We picked 1 spot ahead of Sharangovich. Never look back at old drafts. Too painful.
 
RockLobster said:
I'd love to call out @The Mars Volchenkov for his excellent write-up on Ondrej Pavel.

Give it a read

Bigger, Faster, Stronger: Ondrej Pavel Knows What Will Get Him To NHL
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Will have to see how he does during TC, but if I was Ben Meyers, I'd be starting to sweat a little bit. My man Pavel knows what it takes to be a 4C, and has the skillset to win the spot. Meanwhile, Meyers is trying to be the 2C but doesn't have the skillset to do so. He needs to go back to playing how he did when he first joined. Keep it simple, Benny.
 
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If Pavel could solidify himself as a responsible 4C I’d be pretty happy with that. Would give us the opportunity to let Cogs teach both him and Meyers how to play the right way. If not changes are made to the lineup I could see us running bottom 6 lines of:

Wood-Colton-LOC
Cogs-Pavel-Meyers

Not a ton of offensive punch, but if they can play tenacious, wear down opponents and break even on the scoreboard our top 6 will be setup very nicely.
 
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95snipes said:
I'm not saying it can't happen, but Meyers is exponentially more talented than Pavel is. Meyers had a strong two game for the Gophers. The skillset is there.
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And he needs to find it at the next level. With all the injuries last season he was not able to play in a stable role and find his game in the NHL, his development may have been impacted by the turbulence. I hope he can find his game and become a positive contributor to the Avs since the team would benefit greatly from home-grown talent, even UDFA's.
 
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95snipes said:
I'm not saying it can't happen, but Meyers is exponentially more talented than Pavel is. Meyers had a strong two game for the Gophers. The skillset is there.
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But we’re talking 4C, and it’s fit. Avs want to get heavier. That’s not Meyers. Bednar was eyeing Pavel at the scrimmage tonight. He certainly doesn’t have Meyers offensive skill, but he’s got a lot of what they want.
 
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The Mars Volchenkov said:
But we’re talking 4C, and it’s fit. Avs want to get heavier. That’s not Meyers. Bednar was eyeing Pavel at the scrimmage tonight. He certainly doesn’t have Meyers offensive skill, but he’s got a lot of what they want.
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Not going to pretend i've watched him, but if his skating is a weakness combined with below average college offensive stats, i'm not sold on him.

A bottom 6 forward doesn't need to dangle through the opposition, but they still need to be able to convert on opportunities. I haven't watched Pavel, but his stats makes me question if he has enough talent to carve out a bottom 6 role in the NHL.
 
niwotsblessing said:
And he needs to find it at the next level. With all the injuries last season he was not able to play in a stable role and find his game in the NHL, his development may have been impacted by the turbulence. I hope he can find his game and become a positive contributor to the Avs since the team would benefit greatly from home-grown talent, even UDFA's.
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Certainly. I was disappointed with Meyers play, but he has more in him that was he has shown. Whether he gets there or not is to be determined.
The Mars Volchenkov said:
But we’re talking 4C, and it’s fit. Avs want to get heavier. That’s not Meyers. Bednar was eyeing Pavel at the scrimmage tonight. He certainly doesn’t have Meyers offensive skill, but he’s got a lot of what they want.
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I get that. And it would be a big win if it happens. Pavel is basically a bigger, grittier Marc Andre Cliche.

I just wouldn't write off Meyers quite yet.
 
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My lone concern about Pavel carving out a 4C role is his feet. Is he a good enough skater to play at the pace Bednar requires of his bottom 6? If the answer is yes, he'll be in that role rather soon. If it isn't, he's going to be an AHL 3C for his tenure in NA. We know Meyers has the wheels Bednar requires, but doesn't play with the jam... if Meyers amps up his tenacity, he still has a shot at carving out a role here.
 
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Id love to see Pavel get a shot but likely will have at least one AHL year, even LoC did and he excelled there. Hopefully with his hardnose grinders game, he can put up numbers next to the foudy.
 
PAZ said:
Not going to pretend i've watched him, but if his skating is a weakness combined with below average college offensive stats, i'm not sold on him.

A bottom 6 forward doesn't need to dangle through the opposition, but they still need to be able to convert on opportunities. I haven't watched Pavel, but his stats makes me question if he has enough talent to carve out a bottom 6 role in the NHL.
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His NCAA numbers are very comparable to LOC. Obviously they are very different players, but in terms of NHL production capabilities it’s not crazy to think that if Pavel plays right he could produce at a similar rate to LOC.

Mix in the fact that if he becomes a dominant faceoff specialist he could end up getting some zone time with the empty net, he could be in a position to put up okay (20-25 point pace) if he is capable of keeping up with play and locking down the 4C role.
 
Perratrooper said:
His NCAA numbers are very comparable to LOC. Obviously they are very different players, but in terms of NHL production capabilities it’s not crazy to think that if Pavel plays right he could produce at a similar rate to LOC.

Mix in the fact that if he becomes a dominant faceoff specialist he could end up getting some zone time with the empty net, he could be in a position to put up okay (20-25 point pace) if he is capable of keeping up with play and locking down the 4C role.
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Different leagues take different skill sets to produce. I wouldn't count on more than 15 points out of Pavel. 20 is likely his absolute ceiling.
 
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Just have him train with a power skating coach all summer; he's willing to improve so why not give him the tools to do so?
 
Tommy Shelby said:
Just have him train with a power skating coach all summer; he's willing to improve so why not give him the tools to do so?
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Because it costs a ton of money to have the proper staffing for that and the talent doesn't exist to have the proper staffing.

When a player doesn't have the athletic talent, no amount of coaching or technique will improve skating. Pavel doesn't have the athletic talent to be a high end skater.
 
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henchman21 said:
Because it costs a ton of money to have the proper staffing for that and the talent doesn't exist to have the proper staffing.

When a player doesn't have the athletic talent, no amount of coaching or technique will improve skating. Pavel doesn't have the athletic talent to be a high end skater.
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I'd agree with this, if he already has good technical skills, and it's simply down to his athleticism there isn't going to be much room for improvement. Guys like Point and Boyle improved their skating significantly as it was tweaks and changes to technique more than physical ability
 
I’m just concerned about scoring depth from the bottom 6. Ross Colton is an upgrade but Wood and Pavel might be downgrades offensively. Really interested to see who they have pencilled in at 3RW.
 
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