Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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Skeksis25
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Unless the Sharks turn into an offensive dynamo relative to what they are now, I have a hard time imagining Duclair and Barabanov developing enough value to interest anyone. I don't know if I can imagine a more depressing situation than this for a team. Mind numbingly boring product on the ice, pretty much zero tradeable assets, a handful of meh prospects and a draft lottery system designed to screw you over even if you finish dead last.
Its amusing to watch these games out of morbid curiosity to see just how bad they can be, but its harder and harder to get motivated to keep watching. Hats off to the people who still keep investing their time and money to go to games and buy merch and all. That's some dedication.
Its amusing to watch these games out of morbid curiosity to see just how bad they can be, but its harder and harder to get motivated to keep watching. Hats off to the people who still keep investing their time and money to go to games and buy merch and all. That's some dedication.
Alaskanice
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Teams will trade for such players. They know what kind of players they are. They don’t just look at the stats for this year. A player like Barbie is known and Duclair is an established player.
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That's true but the picks coming back probably are not that good. I just hope Grier makes another move similar to Thrun, where he takes advantage of deep prospect pool team to take their odd man.
Gecklund
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I really need to pay more attention to timelines but if Barabanov is out past like late December I think I’d like to resign him even if it’s just one year. My hope right now is
Duclair: 3rd+5th
Kunin: 3rd+5th
Sturm: 2nd
See if there’s a market for any of our D. I’d love to only have Thrun, Shakir, Okhotiuk, Emberson on our D next season with a couple fillers. Realistically though those fillers are going to be Benning, Burroughs, Vlasic. I think we could hypothetically move the rest.
I’d also test the market on Kahkonen. I don’t know what we could get there though and won’t pretend to guess because goaltending and their values are voodoo.
Go into the draft with like 7 picks in the first 3 rounds.
Hodge
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I don't know if Sturm gets us a 2nd but there's a chance Kunin could. He's one of our few players consistently getting chances and they have to go in eventually. It's not like he hasn't scored at a decent clip in the past. Grier can pitch him as a gritty energy winger built for the playoffs.
Gecklund
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I think Sturm could actually. Has a cup, good PKer, C, good on the draw, good two way, an extra year at a reasonable cap hit. I think a team like PIT or OTT would be great fits for him.
Kunin I’m really not sure about. It’s hard to look good on a team this bad and I’ll be honest I have not had the motivation to watch full games of this team but he hasn’t looked great to me. He looks very chaotic which I guess you’re right some teams really love for some weird reason. If he didn’t have that injury last year, I’d probably agree with you but missing so much time last year mixed with his play this year, I’m not sure about a 2nd.
I do really wonder what Labanc could return (if anything). He’s been more physical but that’s come at the expense of his offense. He’s just so peripheral. I wonder if there’s some other change of scenery player out there we could flip him for and try out. I have no names right now except Mantha which I don’t know about.
Ferraro is another guy I’m very curious about. I don’t think we move him because he’s supposedly a big locker room presence but he’s such a weird player. He’s in that defensive physical D that isn’t very good defensively category like a Chiarot.
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If a contending team is looking to upgrade their 4C, you'd be hard pressed to find a better option than Sturm. I'd hope a late 2nd is palatable for contenders
Hodge
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Is the going rate for a 4C really a 2nd round pick? Sturm has definitely raised his value since the Avs traded for him but all they gave up at the time was Tyson Jost whose contract rendered him almost valueless.
Gecklund
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I think for me, he’s a bit more than a normal 4C. I think for some teams that are on the bubble or with bad PKs he could be a difference (kind of) maker. Teams like FLA, PIT, CGY, MIN, EDM could all likely use that little boost that he would bring. I think generally you’re right Sturm’s value isn’t quite a 2nd but I think more and more teams are realizing you pretty much need a good PK and PP to win a cup. I could see multiple teams wanting him and driving up the price because of his PKing and his cup.
You’re probably right that it’s more likely he gets not a 2nd but I’d hope Grier holds out a bit and tries to drive up the price.
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He's not too different from the mold of Goodrow or Jeannot or Coleman. I think a contender could look at Sturm and ante up for him.
Our face off win percentage has been a weird bright spot so far this season. It doesn’t matter because we just turn it right over. It we have been pretty solid at winning it at least.
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timorous me
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Yeah. It would be good if he could contribute some more offensively this year as an enticer to other teams. Last year was good, very much in line with Goody's numbers the year he was traded (more goals, in fact). Might end up having to be something like Sturm + a 4th for a (low) 2nd, but I'd think it's possible. Other teams who watch Sturm must love what they see.
That last bit, of course, is why it's tough to say whether the Sharks should trade Sturm this year or wait until next year. Feels like bad teams need players like Sturm who keep giving their all--that's a great model for young guys who can be affected by the malaise around them.
Gecklund
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I think it’s the offense that’s the difference. Obviously none of those guys are world beaters but all had better seasons than Sturm offensively. I agree though overall. That’s also why I’m thinking 2nd.
sharks_dynasty
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Actually lol'd out loud at this one. Those three players are COMPLETELY different players than Sturm. Sturm is more of a Luke Glendening than he is any of those three. If you actually watch Sturm play, you'd find he's just a better Kunin. Can't shoot, bad passer, often has mental lapses, doesn't play physical but its just that he does all the other things *slightly* better than Kunin. The bolded is the most important and biggest difference from those 3, and is the reason why those three are sought after. Those three are Middle 6ers and Sturm is strictly a 4C. Nick Bjugstad is also a great comparison.
I think he is definitely a top 4C though, so again, it depends what the rate would be for those. I'd look at Sturm for a possible player-player trade or I think the most he'd fetch right now is a 3rd. He has another year left though at 2m, not a good salary for a 4C, so he's likely stuck here another year. Bjugstad + got a 3rd last year and that was even with a cheaper contract. I think it's very similar or less next year.
Don't forget this guy was healthy scratched throughout the cup run. He was 26.
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timorous me
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Goodrow had 8g and 16a in 62 games (and a -8) the year he was traded to Tampa. Sturm had 14g and 12a in 74 games last year (-13).
So at least he has that baseline, since this year it's going to be hard for him or anyone else on the team to get anything going offensively with the inability to exit their own zone effectively, but I think it at least puts him in the conversation for a 2nd.
We got Kunin for a 3rd and Leonard. I don’t think he’s done anything to increase his trade value.
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He was an RFA when we traded for him. Him being an expiring contract probably doesn’t increase his value when he’s not productive.
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It does make him less of a commitment, which for a player as bad as Luke Kunin is a definite improvement
Hodge
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Yeah players on expiring contracts inherently have more value at the deadline. That's also why I don't think Sturm would get us a 2nd if we traded him this year.
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Yeah, the only thing is that the $2 million salary might seem okay for another team to take on for another year with the cap rising. I just don't think it would be Sturm straight-up for a second.
So would you take a (low) 2nd for Sturm and a (high) 4th or 5th (2024 or 2025), or just keep Sturm around for another year? I'd be inclined to take the deal but I think there's a decent argument to just holding Sturm until early 2025.
