I think exposing any young goalie to our porous defense would be a criminal offense.
Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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I don't recall any offers for Reimer at the deadline but I doubt it was anything better than a 3rd round pick. Reimer was pretty consistently up and down from one season to next though the difference wasn't extreme. He was also a backup for the most part for the three years leading up to his second run here. I'm just saying that his value wasn't much and Blackwood's value isn't much either at this point. Thinking that it can go from not much to 1st or 2nd round level with one partial season is quite a reach especially if you're indicating a team would be bringing him in to back up.
If we're okay with trading Blackwood at this trade deadline for a 3rd, that is feasible with a good run leading up to that point. Beyond that, I think it's a reach for a guy we just got for a 6th.
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I'm sure the Sharks would like to trade Labanc, but I don't think any team wants to trade for him.
I’m sure there’s a team in the Pakistani Hockey League that would be interested in him as a 13th forward.
This has been the case for 2 or 3 years now. He is literally un-tradeable
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At least he's noticeably trying to be a different player. It's only been 3 games but he's actually had some good hits which I've never seen from him before. He's 3rd on the team in hits/60 and hasn't taken a minor penalty yet.
the time to trade Lebanc was after the 2019 season. The chances of a former 6th round pick performing at a 60 point pace with any sort of consistency is extremely low. DW thinking he struck gold a second time after Pavelski is another one of his terrible mistakes that led us to where we are now.
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We have seen good stretches out of him before though. They never last. His liabilities in the end always outstrip any production he has.
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Eh. The team was aging and needed as much youth as they could manage. Also, no way they can move him especially after what he did in that game 7 against Vegas. Anyone that saw this much of drop off is just a liar.
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I'll still make the argument that Labanc never "dropped off" he's still exactly the same player he has always been. He scored 20 power play points in 2018-19 which naturally led to an inflated perception of his abilities. His 5v5 points per 60 rate has been remarkably consistent outside of his injury shortened season.
Point-wise is one thing, but he just seems like a completely different player. No confidence, no creativity… just shot.
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My theory is that it only appears that way because that's how Boughner and Quinn have asked him to play in order to stay in the lineup. It will be interesting to see how he looks on a different team next season.
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The one favorable aspect is an expiring contract. I do not expect him to be moved unless teams have injuries and need to fill 3rd/4th line spots.
His expiring status makes him a low risk add, which is where his value lies should a team need an injury replacement and do not have many choices or they elect they do not want to give up a high picks or prospects.
You know whats a real bummer. 1 pick off from these guys
| 1 | 1 | Chicago | Connor Bedard | C | Regina Pats [WHL] | 7 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 2023-24 |
| 1 | 2 | Anaheim | Leo Carlsson | C | Orebro HK [SweHL] | 3 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 2023-24 |
| 1 | 3 | Columbus | Adam Fantilli | C | U. of Michigan [Big-10] | 7 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 4 | 2023-24 |
| 1 | 4 | San Jose | William Smith | C | U.S. National Development Team [USHL] |
I agree that I would have rather had any of those 3. However none of them would make a difference with how bad this team is and they would not be putting up close to those numbers with the Sharks.
*checks notes* Ah yes, the notable powerhouses of ANA/CHI/CBJ with a combined 8-11-2 record.
No. All three are very good players and would've absolutely helped this franchise turn around quicker than Smith, even if they were playing by themselves here. Smith is A LOOONG ways away from being NHL ready and these guys are already producing on bottom feeders.
seroes
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I doubt even that honestly. There will be better cheaper options on the market. Further we would likely have to retain. Since we only have 1 retention slot left that could lessen the return on another trade when the tdl comes around.
Our retention candidates are between Barabanov, Duclair, Hoffman, Kahkonen, and Labanc. At this stage, I really only see Barabanov and Duclair as even tradeable without retention. It feels like those two w/o retention would get back a 3rd each. The rest need at least 50% retention to be tradeable at the deadline. Though Kahkonen isn't bad value at his full rate, I just don't see a team picking him up to back up at that rate so he'd need retention. Hoffman and Labanc probably don't get dealt unless there's double retention and if I'm a competitive team, I don't feel compelled at all to add either of them. They don't offer anything to a competitive team at this stage.
I think our options are to retain Barabanov or Duclair and maybe get a 2nd instead of a 3rd with another 3rd for the other of Barabanov or Duclair instead of getting maybe a 4th or 5th for one of the other players and the two 3rds for Barabanov and Duclair. I think I'd rather have the slightly increased value of Barabanov or Duclair as well.
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In general I agree, but I think even that situation is optimistic. The team is just so bad, there is no way the point totals for Duclair and Barabanov will be there. Obviously, GMs will know it isn't something you could expect a middle of the lineup winger to do anything about, but at the same time it is going to be so bad that it will create a psychological barrier to going after these guys.
And yeah, Hoffman could be making league min, no way I put him on NHL ice in a game I am trying to win.
Maybe. Both Barabanov and Duclair have their issues with regards to trade value. Barabanov doesn't have that much of a track record and no playoff experience. Duclair has bounced around a lot. Duclair probably has better odds of having his value hold up just based off of last year's playoff run for him being pretty successful.
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We could also just re-sign Duclair and Barabanov if the offers aren't there.
I’m about trading these guys for whatever picks they can get. If they want to come back through free agency then I’m for it.
