Prospect Info: 2023-24 #1: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc.

[tnfrs]

Lazers Laczynski is having a pretty solid game after shitting the absolute bed last night but that Gendron goal was good to see he can jump on those chances and bury them. Tuomaala had one last night and those are the only two reasons to watch the Phantoms if theyre not sending anymore rookies back

 

[tnfrs]

did anyone have adam ginning shorthanded breakaway dangle goal on their bingo card?

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

did anyone have adam ginning shorthanded breakaway dangle goal on their bingo card?

Clip didn't show the full goal live and cut the replay to exclude the goal as well. Nice job, Phantoms social media guy.

 

[tnfrs]

Clip didn't show the full goal live and cut the replay to exclude the goal as well. Nice job, Phantoms social media guy.

he's still developing too

 

[mr4tno]

I have streamed every knights game. I’m off to check out Brandon@Spokane.
‘when Cowan was finally send down to London, Barkey has become way more productiv.
‘he has some grit, he will hit a bigger guy.
‘I agree, if he improves his skating, he could be a playa.he could be a 2/3 center

There in lies the problem. The Flyers have a tendency to draft players that need to work on their skating. At Barkley's size the skating should be a non-issue......

 

[deadhead]

There in lies the problem. The Flyers have a tendency to draft players that need to work on their skating. At Barkley's size the skating should be a non-issue......

If skating wasn't an issue, what round would he have gone in?
Got to put it into context, gambling on skating in the 3rd rd is different than gambling in the 1st rd.

 

[Beef Invictus]

JT is a bad defensive player, if Patrick had turned out to be the player he should have been, he might well have been better - was never going to score like JT, but I would never trade peak Couts for JT even though JT outscored him on a regular basis.

I suspect those advanced metric models undervalue defense, the way baseball models used to undervalue defense until they got better stats on runs saved - but you just watch someone like Rojas and you see the difference defense makes - same way in hockey - top defensive players not just stop goals, but turn over possession and flip the ice.

Patrick wasn't surefire enough that he could escape the impact of Flyers priorities. We could watch his playmaking skills decay the more he played here. Which makes sense because the team places no value on such skills.

Gauthier will be absorbed into an unchanged system that will work to get the least out of him. It should not be assumed he can overcome it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Find the statistic that sticks out.

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18 minutes left. That's my 1C.

That shots stat is wrong right

 

[Curufinwe]

Patrick wasn't surefire enough that he could escape the impact of Flyers priorities. We could watch his playmaking skills decay the more he played here. Which makes sense because the team places no value on such skills.

I don't think his skills decreased in the two real seasons he played here. The last season he played he was clearly not right after the head injuries/brain disease.

 

[deadhead]

How Nolan Patrick's injury could have been career-ending

It’s not an exaggeration to say that Dr. William Meyers may have saved Nolan Patrick’s career June 13 when the 18-year-old NHL prospect elected to have corrective surgery on a core muscle injury that had been bothering him for the better part of the past year. Prior to his initial visit to...

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

Not sure he ever was close to 100%. Never looked like the player who was a consensus top 2 pick.

 

[flyersnorth]

Is Patrick's career just over?

 

[Curufinwe]

Is Patrick's career just over?

Definitely.

 

[Curufinwe]

The highest paid players on the 23-24 Phantoms. Of course, Petersen was acquired in a trade which sent Connauton ($450,000) and Hodgson ($800,000) to LA.

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$820,000

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$450,000

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$450,000

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$400,000

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$775,000

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$400,000

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$450,000

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$5,000,000

 

[FLYguy3911]

Needs work on the celly.

 

[Rebels57]

I won’t knock a trade that got Whiney Ivan the hell out of here. Peterson could punch me in the face and I’d still back it.

But they do need to get Sandstrom or Ersson down there soon.

Completely baffling that these idiots are carrying 3 goalies. They must really be worried about this Hockey Canada report if they are this afraid of waiving Sandstrom. Even then, isn't Ersson waiver exempt? What a laughable team.

 

[tnfrs]

Completely baffling that these idiots are carrying 3 goalies. They must really be worried about this Hockey Canada report if they are this afraid of waiving Sandstrom. Even then, isn't Ersson waiver exempt? What a laughable team.

they could have easily sent ersson down and he could have played this weekend, the only reason to keep sandstrom up was to force danny to waive allison. there were so many options available where they would have risked zero players being claimed but to do it the way they did it is pretty clearly to sacrifice allison maybe even laczynkski. theres no reason why they couldnt have done paper transactions to send 2 waiver exempt rookies down at a time who werent on the game sheet on a given day

 

[deadhead]

I think they want to sneak Sandstrom down now that rosters are set, not so much b/c they see future value in him, but to get the Phantoms a decent starting goalie. Ersson seems set as Hart's backup and possible replacement.

Allison and Laczynski are meh issues, Poehling is two years younger with more upside. On the verge of AHL plus status. Players like Attard, Lycksell, Ginning are at the "do or die" phase of their careers at 24, either step up and force a promotion or get assigned to the AHL plus category like Marody, Brooks, Mete, etc., players who got a couple cameos but couldn't stick in the NHL.

It's the 20-21 year olds that bear watching, Desnoyers, Wisdom, Gendron, Tuomaala, Avon, Grans, Samson.

Most of the top prospects are in the KHL (Michkov, Kolosov, Zavragin), NCAA (Gauthier, Kaplan, Bump, Rizzo), or the CHL (Bonk, Barkey, Bjarnason, Southeran) and Allsvenskan (Ciernak).

 

[Tripod]

Good time to think about sneaking that goalie down....when 2 teams are dressing emergency goalies tonight.

Or, now hear me out, we could have dropped Ersson down on the weekend to get him a game AND bank a little cap space.

Naw. They are the professionals so they know better.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't think his skills decreased in the two real seasons he played here. The last season he played he was clearly not right after the head injuries/brain disease.

Nah, his passing touch vanished

 

[Deadpool8812]

Patrick showed a lot his first 2 seasons, even with our shit coach. He was also one of our best players in the playoffs then. It's just our luck that injuries derailed him.

 

[Curufinwe]

Nah, his passing touch vanished

That didn't happen until after he missed the entire 19-20 season with a busted brain.

He had 17 assists in season 1 and 18 in season 2.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That didn't happen until after he missed the entire 19-20 season with a busted brain.

He had 17 assists in season 1 and 18 in season 2.

He had more ice time in season 2 so that's a lower rate

 

[Curufinwe]

It went up at ES from year 1 to 2:

0.97 A/60 in 17-18

1.06 A/60 in 18-19

Didn't play in 19-20

0.42 A/60 in 20-21

 

[VladDrag]

It went up at ES from year 1 to 2:

0.97 A/60 in 17-18

1.06 A/60 in 18-19

Didn't play in 19-20

0.42 A/60 in 20-21

There was a dropoff from 17-18 to 18-19 of primary assists at ES from 0.55 primary assists per minute to 0.44 primary assists per minute...And it was much worse at 5v5...0.57 to 0.33

This chart above also indicates there was a dropoff of goal setting (an attempt to define passing ability) right around the middle of his 20 year old season (18-19).

It shows his passing effectiveness dropped during his second season here, it doesn't answer the question why.

 

[deadhead]

I think Patrick never recovered from his core surgeries before the draft and simply wasn't that good of a player before his concussion/migraine issues. He was physical mature at 19, so his issues in the NHL were talent related.

Drafting him was the triumph of hope over experience.

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