Prospect Info: 2023-24 #1: Phantoms (AHL), Reading Royals (ECHL), NCAA, Jrs., Int'l, etc.

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There was a dropoff from 17-18 to 18-19 of primary assists at ES from 0.55 primary assists per minute to 0.44 primary assists per minute...And it was much worse at 5v5...0.57 to 0.33

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This chart above also indicates there was a dropoff of goal setting (an attempt to define passing ability) right around the middle of his 20 year old season (18-19).

It shows his passing effectiveness dropped during his second season here, it doesn't answer the question why.

I thought his passing touch noticeably deteriorated the further he got from being drafted. When he started in the NHL I thought he rivaled Voracek and Giroux for best pure passing ability. Hell, he could do some stuff they couldn't; he had really smooth and finessed outlet passes that were really easy to receive.

That's one of those skills this team doesn't value or work on or support though.
 
I don't think there's much player development involved with ice vision and passing, either you have vision or you don't, and passing is primarily eye to hand coordination. You can give a player better finishers so passes result in points, but I doubt you can turn a bad passer into a good one. It's not like skating where mechanical fixes and physical training can make a substantial improvement.
 
I don't think there's much player development involved with ice vision and passing, either you have vision or you don't, and passing is primarily eye to hand coordination. You can give a player better finishers so passes result in points, but I doubt you can turn a bad passer into a good one. It's not like skating where mechanical fixes and physical training can make a substantial improvement.

A common complaint for the past few years is how this team is atrocious at passing compared to other teams. Even outside talent traded or signed for ends up decaying severely the longer they're here. Skills maintenance is closely tied to development; they're the same, really. And that would be the common denominator.

At some point you really ought to consider that there are things this team does wrong which makes all these common things happen repeatedly.
 
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Did Giroux deteriorate as a passer? Voracek? (as a shooter yes, you'd think that was an area of emphasis?), Couts?

I think Torts is right that offense is primarily instinctive, you can draw up plays but they quickly break down. There are some things that can be coached, like Briere and the analytics guy showing TK where he needed to be to score more goals. But Farabee showed his skill set before he was drafted, Brink was a great playmaker in college, G and Couts in the CHL.

The guys who fail to translate skills from lower levels I suspect are the ones who can't adjust to smaller windows and more physical play - it's more about revealing their limitations than failing to develop their offensive skill sets. This is probably more a scouting failure (failure to recognize flaws that will be exposed against better competition) than a development issue.

The primary failure with most offensive players isn't development, but not recognizing player strengths and weaknesses and putting them in positions to succeed. But in that case we should see players thrive elsewhere with smarter organizations that recognize their talent and given them better opportunities. The fact this hasn't happened suggests talent is the real problem.

Defense is much easier to coach, positioning, stick work, learning to use leverage in puck battles, understanding your responsibilities. Even then, IQ and effort really can't be coached, low motor guys might be motivated by fear in the short-run but will regress to their norm, and stupid players don't suddenly get smart.
 
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Did Giroux deteriorate as a passer? Voracek? (as a shooter yes, you'd think that was an area of emphasis?), Couts?

I think Torts is right that offense is primarily instinctive, you can draw up plays but they quickly break down. There are some things that can be coached, like Briere and the analytics guy showing TK where he needed to be to score more goals. But Farabee showed his skill set before he was drafted, Brink was a great playmaker in college, G and Couts in the CHL.

The guys who fail to translate skills from lower levels I suspect are the ones who can't adjust to smaller windows and more physical play - it's more about revealing their limitations than failing to develop their offensive skill sets. This is probably more a scouting failure (failure to recognize flaws that will be exposed against better competition) than a development issue.

The primary failure with most offensive players isn't development, but not recognizing player strengths and weaknesses and putting them in positions to succeed. But in that case we should see players thrive elsewhere with smarter organizations that recognize their talent and given them better opportunities. The fact this hasn't happened suggests talent is the real problem.

Defense is much easier to coach, positioning, stick work, learning to use leverage in puck battles, understanding your responsibilities. Even then, IQ and effort really can't be coached, low motor guys might be motivated by fear in the short-run but will regress to their norm, and stupid players don't suddenly get smart.

You mean three guys too good to fail?

Here's the thing: what if they could have been better? The team did absolutely nothing to facilitate such an outcome.
 
So how’s Bonk looked so far this year?
Bonk has been pretty solid, watching the Knights game now and he just always has good games. He controls the front of the net well and hes got great angles on the rush but London's forwards do alot of the attacking the puck carrier and his partners tend to get pulled out of position a lot easier than Bonk so hes the guy covering everyone and he's generally making the right read defensively in that regard

Easton Cowan has been ridiculous since he's been back though, and I would pay a king's ransom to Toronto for him at the deadline, not even because of the Barkey connection his IQ and his individual skill are off the charts.
 
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Bonk has been pretty solid, watching the Knights game now and he just always has good games. He controls the front of the net well and hes got great angles on the rush but London's forwards do alot of the attacking the puck carrier and his partners tend to get pulled out of position a lot easier than Bonk so hes the guy covering everyone and he's generally making the right read defensively in that regard

Easton Cowan has been ridiculous since he's been back though, . I would pay a king's ransom to Toronto for him at the deadline, not even because of the Barkey connection his IQ and his individual skill are off the charts.
Maybe trading Laughton for #25 from StL to grab him would have been a good move?

Naw.our LEADER is more important, during this fake rebuild.
 
Interesting rule I didn’t know about menrioned at the end of the second clip.

if you score on a delayed penalty, you still get the ensuing power play.
 
Keep an eye on Massimo Rizzo, now has 9 points in his first 3 games after 46 points in 38 games last year. He's 22, a little old for a college junior (3 years in the BCHL before college) but has steadily improved.

Has all the skills but he's smaller with questions about his skating (more speed than edge work).
Sounds like another U Denver forward.

Bonk has 10 apples in 10 games, but London is so loaded that may simply be an artifact of the talent around him, but production is always better than non-production. Barkey leads the team with 15 points, Cowan has 9 in 5 games, Bonk and Dickinson, another D-man have 10, and the next highest scoring forward has 9 points,
 
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