Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | Part Deux

[hockeyfish]

Have the Hawks even confirmed they want to move on from Jones? They have zero cap issues and seem to want to build up the team around Bedard so why would they move him unless they get blown away by a proposal? This isn't a guy they can't resign or playing out a deal so get some value for him. He's a legit core member and I don't see why everyone in here is all over this move as if CMac better make it happen or else.

Been a few wispers that he is available. Also, Evan confirmed that the Avs have looked into it.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Colorado should not be paying for retention. Jones is NOT a 9.5M player. The Blackhawks should know this. Their cornerstone player is 19 and Jones is 30. LOL at him being a core player. If Chicago retains to align with his actual value as a player, they’d still be freeing up 7ish million off the books for several years to build around Bedard.

Some of the recent comments about this are embarrassingly bad.

 

[PAZ]

It's not about how much he's worth or how big of a risk he is, it's about how much cap space we want to allow to defense.

In the unlikely event where they agree to retain 2M, do we want a 7.5M + 5M second pairing? With a guy making 4M on the 3rd pairing? All that while having one of the most expensive 1st pairing in the league? Does it make sense to any of you?

As long as Bednar is coaching this team, 100%. This team still lives and dies with the transition game.

$7.5 mil for a #3D is going to be the norm sooner than later with the cap skyrocketing, and honestly Jones is going to be playing 20+ minutes a night. Manson is on an expiring deal and can easily be traded if we can't fit him.

This team with Jones would be scary.

Have the Hawks even confirmed they want to move on from Jones? They have zero cap issues and seem to want to build up the team around Bedard so why would they move him unless they get blown away by a proposal? This isn't a guy they can't resign or playing out a deal so get some value for him. He's a legit core member and I don't see why everyone in here is all over this move as if CMac better make it happen or else.

He wasn't signed by Davidson is the last of the old guard in Chicago. I also don't think Jones was expecting to go through a full-fledged rebuild. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just showing up for games rather than filling the expected vet leadership role.

I get what you're saying because as a observer it doesn't make much sense to trade Jones this year, but Chicago was scouting the Avs hard prior to the Rants trade so something was going on.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

The biggest thing for me is, he can step in really take minutes off Makar's plate, pk, and reliably move up to the top pair *when Makar is injured.

That is extremely valuable insurance, and makes it more likely that Makar is at his best in the playoffs, and not nursing injuries from blocking shots on the PK.

Makar will have a better career with a player like Jones behind him on the right side.

I would think Jones is PK1 and the only way he is part of PP2 is if the coach is trying to stroke his ego to keep him happy... but PP2 doesn't get ice time here. The question about can he step up if Cale is out...I think basically you see pairs flip and Girard-Jones would get top pair minutes and Toews would move to second pair with whoever is the next best RHD.

I would hope that a Girard-Jones pairing would be good enough to get a bit more 5v5 ice time as well. And if we somehow managed to still have Manson on the third pair.... I won't say we are rolling pairs but that would as deep at D heading into the playoffs as the Avs have been for as long as I can remember.

Toews-Makar
Girard-Jones
CDH-Manson

That's a strong D group.

 

[Vaslof]

Who are you sacrificing to make space for Jones? Necas? Drouin? Both? Lehkonen?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Who are you sacrificing to make space for Jones? Necas? Drouin? Both? Lehkonen?

Why do we have to sacrifice those guys?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Who are you sacrificing to make space for Jones? Necas? Drouin? Both? Lehkonen?

Depends on how much the Hawks retain. But the hockey gods will put the required amount on LTIR during the Four Nations. Have faith, my gentle friend!

 

[dahrougem2]

Then next year we have a very expensive top 4 with Malinski level crap on the 3rd pair again.

I think the difference is you'd have a much, much better overall top-4 than what you have now. Jones IMO isn't what he used to be but he's still a damn good defensemen and quite easily MUCH better than Josh Manson at everything except throwing big hits.

You run Toews-Makar and Girard-Jones for 24-25 per night and the 3rd pair can be heavily sheltered.

You worry about moving Manson, Colton and/or Wood in the offseason.

If you can get a couple of kicks at the Stanley Cup with that top-4 before Makar's mega deal is signed - especially if you can't upgrade on Mittelstadt - I say go for it.

 

[Vaslof]

Why do we have to sacrifice those guys?

Salary cap. Those are some contracts we need to renew soon. I guess you can add Makar to that if you prefer Jones on 3rd pairing making 9M over Makar.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Salary cap. Those are some contracts we need to renew soon. I guess you can add Makar to that if you prefer Jones on 3rd pairing making 9M over Makar.

Have you seen what the cap is rising to?



$7m higher next season than this year… $15.5m higher the following season than this year… $25m higher the season Makar’s new contract kicks in than this year…

Manson - $4.5m
Colton - $4m
Wood - $2.5m

These are the sacrifices this summer, not the guys you’ve mentioned.

Jones on 3rd pair? What?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Salary cap. Those are some contracts we need to renew soon. I guess you can add Makar to that if you prefer Jones on 3rd pairing making 9M over Makar.

You understand its going up by $26M over the next 3 years, correct?

I guess you also clearly missed the part where everyone is talking about Jones retained down to $7.5M or lower.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

- Trade Colton to NJD for 2025 2nd
- Trade Wood + Ivan + 2026 1st to Chicago for Seth Jones(Retained to $7.5M)
- Re-sign Drouin, 5x$3.5M
- Re-sign Kiviranta, 2x$1M
- Re-sign Parsnip, 1x$1M


Lehky(4.5) - Mack(12.6) - Necas(6.5)
Drouin(3.5) - Mitts(5.75) - Nuke(6.125)
Landy(7.0) - Drury(1.75) - Parsnip(1.0)
LOC(2.5) - Kelly(0.8) - Kivi(1.0)


Toews(7.25) - Makar(9.0)
Girard(5.0) - Jones(7.5)
Middleton(0.8) - Manson(4.5)

Blackwood(5.25)
Wedgewood(1.5)


Total Salary: $93.825M/$95.5M. Leaves the Avs with $1.675M to carry 2 additional skaters, for example Prishchepov and MacDonald who are signed next year for a combined $1.581M.

Just as a pretty simple example of how they could make it work with Jones if they get him retained down.

Then in July 2026, Necas, Wedgewood and Manson are the main UFAs with Drury as an RFA. The $8.5M increase in cap would cover both Necas(Say $10M, so a $3.5M increase), and Drury(Say $4M, so a $2.25M increase) raises and we would still have an additional $2.75M from the rising cap alone to spend on the roster...

And all of this is assuming Landy returns and is a full time player pretty much.

The next "crunch" is when Makar is a UFA... But even then, its pretty debatable to actually be a crunch.
That summer the cap will once again be increasing by $9.5M. That will cover all of Cale's raise and still have more money left over. Even if Cale gets $15M on his next deal, that's only a raise of $6M. And that same summer Cale is a UFA, you've also got Girard, Mittelstadt, and Lehkonen as UFAs. So lots of money to work with if they want to bring some of those guys back as well.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Alright CMac, make a miracle happen and get me Quinn Hughes in a deal akin to the Thornton or Phaneuf deals

 

[myperbixhurts]

Alright CMac, make a miracle happen and get me Quinn Hughes in a deal akin to the Thornton or Phaneuf deals

Hughes and Makar on the same team? You do realize there is only one puck right?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Hughes and Makar on the same team? You do realize there is only one puck right?

They wouldn’t play on the same pairing, split them up and have one of them out there for 80-90% of the game. It would be beautiful to see

 

[Vaslof]

Have you seen what the cap is rising to?



$7m higher next season than this year… $15.5m higher the following season than this year… $25m higher the season Makar’s new contract kicks in than this year…

Manson - $4.5m
Colton - $4m
Wood - $2.5m

These are the sacrifices this summer, not the guys you’ve mentioned.

Jones on 3rd pair? What?

Colton has an NTC and all three would have to be traded because they still have years left in their contracts. That money also isn't enough, the Manson swap adds 5M. Colton's spot has to be taken by someone so you only get around 3M savings, and 1.5M from Wood. So those three almost cover this one guy. Nobody would be stupid enough to retain on Seth Jones with current plus 5 years left in his contract so it'd be the full cap hit. If we do sign Drouin and acquire Seth Jones, the one we're risking is Necas playing himself out of our price range because we decided to acquire a cap dump from Chicago.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

They wouldn’t play on the same pairing, split them up and have one of them out there for 80-90% of the game. It would be beautiful to see

They'd be on separate pairs but both will still be averaging more than 30 minutes a night TOI. The third pair will never touch the ice. Those guys will only be used to give the other dudes on their pairs a shift off occasionally.

 

[myperbixhurts]

They wouldn’t play on the same pairing, split them up and have one of them out there for 80-90% of the game. It would be beautiful to see

I really would like to see that to be honest

 

[The Merchant]

Colorado should not be paying for retention. Jones is NOT a 9.5M player. The Blackhawks should know this. Their cornerstone player is 19 and Jones is 30. LOL at him being a core player. If Chicago retains to align with his actual value as a player, they’d still be freeing up 7ish million off the books for several years to build around Bedard.

Some of the recent comments about this are embarrassingly bad.

Seriously. The defense has gotten so bad that people are pining over a player anchored to the worst contract in the league. Fun story? Sure. But you're kidding yourself if you think that one of the most shrewd front offices in the league are going to give up major assets for Seth Jones when they just let a franchise player walk out the door over a difference of 2 or 3 million dollars.

 

[Richard88]

- Trade Colton to NJD for 2025 2nd
- Trade Wood + Ivan + 2026 1st to Chicago for Seth Jones(Retained to $7.5M)
- Re-sign Drouin, 5x$3.5M
- Re-sign Kiviranta, 2x$1M
- Re-sign Parsnip, 1x$1M


Lehky(4.5) - Mack(12.6) - Necas(6.5)
Drouin(3.5) - Mitts(5.75) - Nuke(6.125)
Landy(7.0) - Drury(1.75) - Parsnip(1.0)
LOC(2.5) - Kelly(0.8) - Kivi(1.0)


Toews(7.25) - Makar(9.0)
Girard(5.0) - Jones(7.5)
Middleton(0.8) - Manson(4.5)

Blackwood(5.25)
Wedgewood(1.5)


Total Salary: $93.825M/$95.5M. Leaves the Avs with $1.675M to carry 2 additional skaters, for example Prishchepov and MacDonald who are signed next year for a combined $1.581M.

Just as a pretty simple example of how they could make it work with Jones if they get him retained down.

Then in July 2026, Necas, Wedgewood and Manson are the main UFAs with Drury as an RFA. The $8.5M increase in cap would cover both Necas(Say $10M, so a $3.5M increase), and Drury(Say $4M, so a $2.25M increase) raises and we would still have an additional $2.75M from the rising cap alone to spend on the roster...

And all of this is assuming Landy returns and is a full time player pretty much.

The next "crunch" is when Makar is a UFA... But even then, its pretty debatable to actually be a crunch.
That summer the cap will once again be increasing by $9.5M. That will cover all of Cale's raise and still have more money left over. Even if Cale gets $15M on his next deal, that's only a raise of $6M. And that same summer Cale is a UFA, you've also got Girard, Mittelstadt, and Lehkonen as UFAs. So lots of money to work with if they want to bring some of those guys back as well.

RIAL postes Drouin's points per game since last being scratched and he's over PPG. Doubt he gets only $3.5m if he stays healthy and continues that pace the rest of this season.

Also I think there's a likelihood that Manson would get traded in the off-season if Jones is brought in. As I think you've said before Kiviranta and Parssinen probably cost around $1.5m each to re-sign too, which along with Drouin getting more than $3.5m starts to eat into the cap. Manson at $4.5m on the bottom pairing would be too much at that point, and he'd likely fetch decent value in a trade to re-stock the asset pool a bit given how coveted RHD's like him are around the league.

 

[Richard88]

Seriously. The defense has gotten so bad that people are pining over a player anchored to the worst contract in the league. Fun story? Sure. But you're kidding yourself if you think that one of the most shrewd front offices in the league are going to give up major assets for Seth Jones when they just let a franchise player walk out the door over a difference of 2 or 3 million dollars.

Necas $6.5m + Jones $7m = $13.5m, roughly what Rantanen is rumoured to want. Clearly the Avs would get better value from Jones and Necas at their caphits.

 

[Alienblood]

He made it sound like there’s some history behind that. I remember the 97 SC and the Red Wings swept the Flyers. Detroit is known for having a history of several successful Russian players, the Flyers not so much.

Go back to qhere the Flyers scared them.off the ice lol

 

[Alienblood]

Marie Philip Poulin for 2C

 

[expatriatedtexan]

RIAL postes Drouin's points per game since last being scratched and he's over PPG. Doubt he gets only $3.5m if he stays healthy and continues that pace the rest of this season.

JD has absolutely shown a desire to play for the Avs, but yeah... it's not going to be for nearly as cheap as he has the last two years, especially since Mikko won't be eating up everything. He's going want a raise.

I wonder if he has a dollar amount that he's set on that we might be able to negotiate a deferred compensation deal with him around?

 

[Alienblood]

It's not about how much he's worth or how big of a risk he is, it's about how much cap space we want to allow to defense.

In the unlikely event where they agree to retain 2M, do we want a 7.5M + 5M second pairing? With a guy making 4M on the 3rd pairing? All that while having one of the most expensive 1st pairing in the league? Does it make sense to any of you?

No to Jones. He's more lazy than Mikko