Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[expatriatedtexan]

Both PLD and Lindholm would be excellent fits for the 2C spot... But I think PLD is just a touch of a better fit, he brings a little bit more if that agitator element to his game that we're missing without Kadri and JTC quite frankly. We could use another good player that can get under the other teams skin.


I dont really care about the age difference personally as I'm sure by the time either of them are 30/31 years old we're well past out contending window, but PLD would also give us 6 more season before he cross that threshold while Lindholm only 2. But, Lindholm will be cheaper for this year at just $4.85M versus PLD being at least $6M.

So, does everybody (including PLD) see him as a 2C. Or is there belief that he can be a 1C?

That's my biggest question about him. That will determine how he prices himself. He would actually be my favorite candidate but the cost is the most concerning thing to me. That's why I've been so interested in what the Avs could do by "forcing" a trade for a young RFA center. To open up cap space not eat every last penny and force us to let Rants walk at UFA.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Give me Lindholm over PLD

Lehkonen-Lindholm-Nuke line would be awesome. Then they just have to find a left wing to play with MacK and Mikko.

Maybe get Drouin for cheap and he might breakout in Colorado playing with MacK and Mikko. Maybe Drouin and MacK will reunite and get that old Halifax magic back

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Give me Lindholm over PLD

Lehkonen-Lindholm-Nuke line would be awesome. Then they just have to find a left wing to play with MacK and Mikko

Lehkonen-X-Nuchushkin won't work for a couple of reasons.
1. They've played together before and it's never worked no matter who was centering them.
2. More importantly, it's redundant having them on the same line. You need to give both of the top lines one of these defensive puck hounds. They can help the team more by being split up (although that's been my argument for keeping Nate and Mikko on separate lines for about four years now).

Even while I hope for a younger 2C, and would prefer PLD, Lindholm would be a fantastic consolation prize. I mean, I would not be upset at all if we read tomorrow that CMac had made a trade for him. But he's going to be costing 8M+ in another year when his contract is up. Is he a long term solution? Can we afford to resign him and Mikko?

 

[myperbixhurts]

Lehkonen-X-Nuchushkin won't work for a couple of reasons.
1. They've played together before and it's never worked no matter who was centering them.
2. More importantly, it's redundant having them on the same line. You need to give both of the top lines one of these defensive puck hounds. They can help the team more by being split up (although that's been my argument for keeping Nate and Mikko on separate lines for about four years now).

If they get Lindholm and a LW, they can try different combinations see what works, but in any case, having one of Lehky or Nuke with Lindholm would give the Avs an elite defensive 2nd line

 

[expatriatedtexan]

If they get Lindholm and a LW, they can try different combinations see what works, but in any case, having one of Lehky or Nuke with Lindholm would give the Avs an elite defensive 2nd line

I think PLD is the better defensive center. But Lindholm centering our second line would be fantastic. But just like PLD, I wonder if we can afford to resign these guys and Mikko. His next contract needs to be signed next summer or we could stand the chance of letting him walk for nothing.

 

[BaconNater]

Elias Lindholm for a conditional Bowen Byram*

*If Lindholm re signs then they keep Byram, if Lindholm walks then they get Newhook and have to give Byram back

 

[expatriatedtexan]

It's been a while since I've really cared but when do the Avs normally start sending out QOs?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Elias Lindholm for a conditional Bowen Byram*

*If Lindholm re signs then they keep Byram, if Lindholm walks then they get Newhook and have to give Byram back

That sounds like something that might have happened back in the Eagleson era. I mean Kris Draper was traded for a dollar once and I believe Tom Martin was once traded for a bus.

What would the NHLPA's stance be on a condition like that? What would the NHL's stance be? That's some funny shit though and I bet if you suggested it as rule change to the Athletic you'd get Sean McIndoe on board at least.

 

[myperbixhurts]

I think PLD is the better defensive center. But Lindholm centering our second line would be fantastic. But just like PLD, I wonder if we can afford to resign these guys and Mikko. His next contract needs to be signed next summer or we could stand the chance of letting him walk for nothing.

Lindholm is better offensively though. I’d try to get him and Drouin and roll with…

Drouin-MacK-Nuke
Lehky-Lindholm-Mikko

If Drouin breaks out, that’s as solid of a top 2 lines as you gonna get. And it would be affordable at least for next season

 

[John Mandalorian]

That sounds like something that might have happened back in the Eagleson era. I mean Kris Draper was traded for a dollar once and I believe Tom Martin was once traded for a bus.

What would the NHLPA's stance be on a condition like that? What would the NHL's stance be? That's some funny shit though and I bet if you suggested it as rule change to the Athletic you'd get Sean McIndoe on board at least.

This isn't allowed.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Elias Lindholm for a conditional Bowen Byram*

*If Lindholm re signs then they keep Byram, if Lindholm walks then they get Newhook and have to give Byram back

I don’t think Avs would have to trade Byram for Lindholm.

Maybe Girard+1st+ top prospect or maybe two 1sts or something like that would do. Flames could use a PMD like Girard and they want picks, and they get younger with Girard who’s 3 years younger than Lindholm. Meets the criteria of what Conroy said he wants to do in Calgary. Get younger and get picks

 

[Balthazar]

Lindholm is better offensively though.

PLD is much more of a playoff beast and more physical. When he's on he's like if Nuke was playing center.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Wouldn’t complain about Lindholm, PLD, Backlund, or Miller. Strongly prefer the first three of those though.

But Lindholm does seem less likely to be difficult. Also, if you give him an environment where contending seems possible, you’re probably more likely to re-sign him. Lindholm also seems like he might be more ok being a 2C on a contending team and not bucking to be a 1C. That’s totally speculation though. Age might factor into this too.

However, the age has been highlighted. And regarding, PLD, since his rookie year, he’s only had one year under .7 PPG and that was the year he was traded. The guy is a virtual metronome in delivering .7 ppg seasons.

Lindholm is a .88 ppg during the past 5 years though.

 

[myperbixhurts]

PLD is much more of a playoff beast and more physical. When he's on he's like if Nuke was playing center.

Won’t argue there. I’ll be fine with either one to be honest as long as we’re not going into next season with JTC at 2C again

 

[Metallo]

Calgary pretty much needs to move out money this summer. Even if Kylington is MIA all year again, they only have 3.75 m left, and thats with a roster of 10F-6D-2G. And if Kylington returns, thats 1.25 m for 2-3 forwards.

They probably only need to move Z for Poirier. They are not in a hole cap wise.

 

[Cypher]

They probably only need to move Z for Poirier. They are not in a hole cap wise.

So you're saying the Avs are getting Zadorov as their 3rd pairing LHD after one of G/Bo/Toews is traded.

 

[Metallo]

So you're saying the Avs are getting Zadorov as their 3rd pairing LHD after one of G/Bo/Toews is traded.

I don't see any other solution.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I really don't want JT Miller on the Avs. We're finally getting rid of one JT and y'all want another one, and this one comes on the wrong side of 30 and with an attitude problem, I'd rather keep Compher and hope Newhook grows into the 2C this season than trade assets for Miller.

 

[Rumplesnipeskin]

PLD would fit well on this team, would love that get if we pulled it off.

Avs need secondary scoring that will create matchup difficulties beyond our star players, as well as someone who can play strong defense to shut down opposition top lines. Seems to me PLD moves the needle in both categories.

 

[Bender]

IMO JTC is going to turn into a pumpkin sooner rather than later. Give him a 8 year contract and in year 2 he turns into a pumpkin... you're kinda F'd.

The Avs certainly need center depth and they need versatility... but IMO they need to move to get answers and real solutions. Not maybe if the stars align sort of guys. Another wasted year could slam the window shut. I'm fine with taking a trending chance or a singular one... but hopes and dreams into a Monahan, JTC, and Drouin combo would be an all in on a 10,000:1 chance.

That already happened.

Season Wrap-up

With Colorado's season now over I thought it'd be good to start a thread capping it off. To talk about what went wrong or our takeaways on the year. (I promise I won't get annoyed if people vent on CMac here.) For my part, I was fine with the Avs going into the season without a 2C. But I also...

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The Avs CANNOT (and won't, imo) re-sign JTC because sometimes, you have to take certain players away from certain coaches. We've seen it over and over again, where JTC would make a bad play or a half-hearted effort and get a big-giant pass from Bednar.

I said it before but JTC put up an abysmal 12 points in his last 30 games (including playoffs) in an Avs uniform playing exclusively in a Top-6 role. That included 5 straight games immediately following the TDL with ZERO POINTS.

That means that the Son of Bednar - even with all the injuries we had this year - put up 42 points in 59 games right up to the trade deadline (0.71 PPG) only to crap the bed the rest of the way (12 points in 30 games = 0.40 PPG).

My personal interpretation of that is that he wanted a new contract and didn't get one so he pouted.

J.T. Compher 2024-25 Stats per Game - NHL - ESPN

The 2024-25 NHL season stats per game for J.T. Compher of the Detroit Red Wings on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

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[redacted]

That already happened.

Season Wrap-up

With Colorado's season now over I thought it'd be good to start a thread capping it off. To talk about what went wrong or our takeaways on the year. (I promise I won't get annoyed if people vent on CMac here.) For my part, I was fine with the Avs going into the season without a 2C. But I also...

forums.hfboards.com

The Avs CANNOT (and won't, imo) re-sign JTC because sometimes, you have to take certain players away from certain coaches. We've seen it over and over again, where JTC would make a bad play or a half-hearted effort and get a big-giant pass from Bednar.

I said it before but JTC put up an abysmal 12 points in his last 30 games (including playoffs) in an Avs uniform playing exclusively in a Top-6 role. That included 5 straight games immediately following the TDL with ZERO POINTS.

That means that the Son of Bednar - even with all the injuries we had this year - put up 42 points in 59 games right up to the trade deadline (0.71 PPG) only to crap the bed the rest of the way (12 points in 30 games = 0.40 PPG).

My personal interpretation of that is that he wanted a new contract and didn't get one so he pouted.

J.T. Compher 2024-25 Stats per Game - NHL - ESPN

The 2024-25 NHL season stats per game for J.T. Compher of the Detroit Red Wings on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

www.espn.com

I wouldn’t leap to him pouting, but a regression to his normal level of play did seem to happen. I want nothing to do with him for any term. Time to move on.

 

[John Mandalorian]

That already happened.

Season Wrap-up

With Colorado's season now over I thought it'd be good to start a thread capping it off. To talk about what went wrong or our takeaways on the year. (I promise I won't get annoyed if people vent on CMac here.) For my part, I was fine with the Avs going into the season without a 2C. But I also...

forums.hfboards.com

The Avs CANNOT (and won't, imo) re-sign JTC because sometimes, you have to take certain players away from certain coaches. We've seen it over and over again, where JTC would make a bad play or a half-hearted effort and get a big-giant pass from Bednar.

I said it before but JTC put up an abysmal 12 points in his last 30 games (including playoffs) in an Avs uniform playing exclusively in a Top-6 role. That included 5 straight games immediately following the TDL with ZERO POINTS.

That means that the Son of Bednar - even with all the injuries we had this year - put up 42 points in 59 games right up to the trade deadline (0.71 PPG) only to crap the bed the rest of the way (12 points in 30 games = 0.40 PPG).

My personal interpretation of that is that he wanted a new contract and didn't get one so he pouted.

J.T. Compher 2024-25 Stats per Game - NHL - ESPN

The 2024-25 NHL season stats per game for J.T. Compher of the Detroit Red Wings on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

www.espn.com

Bednar is a Compher-holic. He needs 12 steps bad...real bad.

 

[Balthazar]

The Avs CANNOT (and won't, imo) re-sign JTC because sometimes, you have to take certain players away from certain coaches.

Sakic did it before when he traded Holden to the Rags for a 4th rd pick. He basically gave him away for nothing so Roy would stop playing him top pairing minutes.

Roy didn't like it and said publicly that his best dman got traded.

That was IMO the beginning of the end of the Roy and Sakic love story.

 

[Avs_19]

Lindholm would be absolutely perfect and also probably too good to be true. I doubt he gets traded this offseason.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

You all know that whoever the Avs trade for to be their 2C will fall getting off the plane in Denver and tear a rotator cuff, right?

“Welcoooome to Denver Pierre-Luc ….oh shi#.”
They’d probably have sent G there to greet him for that French connection and PLD would take out G’s knee as he fell. There goes our 2C and a possible trade chip for another forward.

The 1st post after that would be “I hate this fu#ken team.”