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Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition
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5+ for Compher is madness. I’m not even a Compher hater, but that’s crazy.
Eventually someone signing him is going have to look at the fact that he was used as a 1st line forward this season. Actually, he received elite 1st line minutes. He was 14th in the NHL in ice-time among forwards and obviously a lot of those minutes were played with Rantanen.
His increase in production doesn’t actually look that good when you realize he underperformed given the opportunity he received.
He’s a useful 3rd line forward who provides posistion versatility, but someone is going to be disappointed if they give him the kind of deal being rumoured.
Eventually someone signing him is going have to look at the fact that he was used as a 1st line forward this season. Actually, he received elite 1st line minutes. He was 14th in the NHL in ice-time among forwards and obviously a lot of those minutes were played with Rantanen.
His increase in production doesn’t actually look that good when you realize he underperformed given the opportunity he received.
He’s a useful 3rd line forward who provides posistion versatility, but someone is going to be disappointed if they give him the kind of deal being rumoured.
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I don't want Compher regardless of term and money. He's a 3rd line wing and just won't play at that position here.
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expatriatedtexan
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If we say trade Toews at the draft for a 2C, we still don't do this.
That's reason number one why I don't trust those charts. Whatever formula they use to determine worth, is completely broken.
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I like their figure a lot better than Dom's Market Value. He's got JT2C tagged with a 7.1M market value.
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Even with a pretty uninspiring free agent class, that's insanity. The presumed meager cap increase will probably decide the market for most players. Good for him if he can get that, but that's an unhatched albatross of a contract.
Maybe I'm failing to understand what those charts are for, because I don't doubt some dumbass team will pay him that. However there's now way that he's actually worth that much of a cap hit. I guess if the goal is to gauge how much a player will end up signing for, then I agree with it. But I thought it was supposed to calculate the players actual worth?
Edit: Also didn't these same charts say that Girard was worth nothing?
That's the value he provides. I know you hate JTC with an incredibly weird and uncomfortable passion... But he's a good player, a high end 3rd liner, low end 2nd liner. That is the value of those sorts of players, especially as a UFA.
I dunno if those specific charts showed Girard being worth nothing, but I do know the Athletics did show him being worth nothing. But that's also because he WAS worth nothing at a certain point this year. His first ~30 games of the year were absolutely terrible. He turned it around the second half but that doesn't mean he wasn't really bad the first half of the season and the charts that updated weekly accurately reflected exactly that.
This is what G finished the season at.
Not sure how G's role is a top pairing defenseman but simultaneously only worth $4.2 mil (which is a pretty fair assessment).
It's weird because he didn't play on the top pair this year. Are they saying G's stats are good enough to be a top pairing defenseman? Or is that the role they think he played?
I just don't believe your 3rd liners should be making 6ish percent of a teams total cap. I guess you could argue that with the cap increasing it might age well. But Compher has never carried a line and finished out the year as one of our worst point producers. That's all while being used regularly on the same line as Rants and also getting a ton of shifts with MacK and Rants in the offensive zone. His 55 points are a product of a hot streak early in the year, then Mikko dragging his carcass around. I could understand maybe 4 million by a team, but not 5.5+.
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JTC is not a low end 2nd liner lol. He is a good 3rd line player but a guy who probably shouldn't be the best player on his line.
No way should any team pay him more than 3.5M but he probably gets 5+
No way should any team pay him more than 3.5M but he probably gets 5+
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I think JTC gets 5X5 from a team. There are enough bad GMs out there to give him that kind of deal and I think Compher and his agent knew that when they started approaching a 50 point season.
There are also those teams where a jacked-up owner gets involved and says "We missed on this guy... go get Compher, he got 50 points last year!".
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I was poking around on a sortable site listing the UFAs and the only guys around Compher's relatively young age with similar points are Domi, Bunting and Barbashev. I know points aren't the only marker, but they get you paid.
I think only Barbashev will get a substantial raise due to GMs loving guys having nice playoffs and he was only making 2.25 mil. Well, Bunting too but he was making less than Helm!
It's hard to predict the insanity of FA stuff but if the cap barely moves, I just don't see how some of these guys are getting much of a raise. Maybe the best case scenario is JTC doesn't get the contract he wants and comes back to the Avs for a year at 4mil. I just don't think the money is out there for a lot of these middle 6 guys this offseason, even with the market the way it is -- a lot of names on the wrong side of 30.
There are a lot of interesting names (and questionable fits) on the UFA list. The Avs should be able to really gird the bottom 6 cheaply.
Cap has barely moved if that is the inflation you are considering.
Compher is likely to find a team that will give him 5.5+... maybe even 6. To an extent, I'd guess that role and quality of the team matters. I'm pretty sure Chicago and Columbus make a heavy run at him. Could also see Winnipeg too.
I just don't understand. Compher might be versatile, but he's not great at anything. He is a decent 3rd liner, preferably winger, nothing more. How is he going to get 5M+ annually, wtf am I missing? I wouldn't give him over 3.5M.
Some teams will think he's a middle 6 guy more than a 3rd liner and the ability to move around the lineup is a pretty large plus. Teams (and especially coaches) are in love with these sorts of players... so they tend to pay a lot more for them than they otherwise should. A story as old as time in the NHL.
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2C is top priority obviously but Im pretty dang hot for Ivan Barabshev in UFA
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God bless anyone who is ready to slot Compher into top 6 spot or to give him money AND term.
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