Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

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Yeah it’s not like anything happened since then to cause such a financial detriment. The cap was well on the climb up until the league played a couple thousand hockey games without anybody in the building watching.

More things can happen no doubt and you’re probably more educated on the topic than I am but I trust the Friedman’s and Seravalli’s of the world who have guaranteed a 9M bump in the next 3 seasons at minimum. We just have to see how that’s spread out. I actually kinda hope it’s just 1.5M this year and the biggest jumps come in the following two seasons since we have the Landeskog buffer this year.

If you go by Friedman and Seravelli, they were saying the cap was going to go up massively this past season and next season too. They've been dead wrong on it a bunch. It stems from the highly optimistic projections that Bettman and Co start with each year. Earlier this season (and last season) when they were on that PR run, I was saying then the math didn't work and people should hold up. They should be holding up again. The numbers are just not there yet. The covid debt still has yet to be paid off, and it might next season... but that isn't even a guarantee with the 6% escrow. Probable at least this go round. Which sets up for future projections. The NHL has already lost one $18m RSO contract (Vegas)... decent chance that that 2 more teams are on the horizon this summer (Penguins probably get saved by NESN given the FSG ties). With all the Bally teams (12) looking at a 10-30% cut in rates once they clear bankruptcy court. We're looking at a couple hundred million when this all plays out. Next year is certainly in the 60-70m range as a floor... could be as high as 120m. 120m is kind of a nebulus number, but that is roughly 1.9m off the cap alone.

When we get the state of the NHL speech, we should get the release of revenues for the season. Last year was over 5.2b (very high 5.2s... not sure if they announced reaching 5.3). Also kind of a nebulus number... 5.2b translates to a 81.25m cap. 5.3b translates to a 82.8m cap. Meaning, the cap last year was roughly in line with the revenues. This year's cap of 82.5 included some growth. The current 83.5m cap needs a mid 5.3b revenues to be supported. Now the rumors are that the revenues will be 5.6b this year... which directly translates to a 87.5m cap. The NHL got full payments from Bally this year in that number. A further complication is the weakening Canadian dollar. Not only is that hurting sales up north, but the NHL biggest TV deal is paid in CAD. That also knocks off ~30m from that deal. Then you have the Leafs as the biggest driver doing all their transactions in CAD.

So even if the owners are paid off next year, the league has to grow by ~100m to support the RSN drop, league attendance can't falter, Canadian dollar has to stabilize or strengthen, and sponsorships have to grow in a lighter economic climate for the cap to just maintain 87.5m. That's not impossible but a challenge right now. To get to 90m... the league needs to be at 5.8b and maintain it.

To me the state of the NHL will be interesting and telling. If they hit 5.6b, they are on course. If they hit 5.7b... odds will be for the 90m cap in 25-26. If they only hit 5.5b, there is trouble ahead.
 
Yup this is a legit possibility. It be fine with it too. In fact, I’d be fine using Landeskog’s LTIR to just overload on forward depth. If we could somehow get all 3 of JTC, Monahan and Drouin for 7ish M combined that would be fantastic even though there’s a lot of question marks there.

What?? 7 million for a 3rd line center and two guys who can't stay healthy?

Why not use the 7 mil and get a guy who will actually contribute regardless of position like Killorn, Kane, Bunting, Tarasenko, Tatar, Zucker or Bertuzzi?

Or try the Selanne/Kariya play again and sign Kane and Toews to 1 year deals. Sign Bunting for 5x5

Try to trade Girard and our 1st for a center. Maybe Dawson Mercer.

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Nichushkin- Mercer - Kane
Malgin- Toews- Bunting
Nieto- Newhook- O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
JJ - EJ
 
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What?? 7 million for a 3rd line center and two guys who can't stay healthy?

Why not use the 7 mil and get a guy who will actually contribute regardless of position like Killorn, Kane, Bunting, Tarasenko, Tatar, Zucker or Bertuzzi?

Or try the Selanne/Kariya play again and sign Kane and Toews to 1 year deals. Sign Bunting for 5x5

Try to trade Girard and our 1st for a center. Maybe Dawson Mercer.

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Nichushkin- Mercer - Kane
Malgin- Toews- Bunting
Nieto- Newhook- O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Manson
JJ - EJ
Because the Avs don’t need just 1 player. They need essentially an entire bottom 6.

As for Girard and a 1st for Mercer, that’s laughable. New Jersey laughed off San Jose when he was mentioned as part of a Meier deal. They certainly aren’t moving him for Girard.
 
Would you trade Toews if Vancouver offered #11 + JT Miller for Toews + #27?


Miller solves the 2C situation, could get one hell of a player with #11 as well, no doubt lots of teams would be calling us on that pick.
 
Why would Calgary have any interest in Newhook? They have several wingers better than him.
Not saying they'd go out of their way to make a move for him. Just seems to fit their MO of what they like in players, especially his character. I've had the pleasure of spending some time with their new GM an think he'd welcome Newhook as an add on in a deal
 
Would you trade Toews if Vancouver offered #11 + JT Miller for Toews + #27?


Miller solves the 2C situation, could get one hell of a player with #11 as well, no doubt lots of teams would be calling us on that pick.
Yes. Vancouver would want Newhook instead of 27th and I still say yes.
 
Yes. Vancouver would want Newhook instead of 27th and I still say yes.
Canucks wouldn't offer the 11th OA pick.

The question is, if the Canucks offer JT Miller for Devon Toews straight up, do we say yes or no?

Assuming that Toews' next contract is similar to Miller's 8M X 7.

Miller is a year older but his 7 year contract is starting a year earlier so in the end it's pretty much the same.
 
Considering some of the numbers recently discussed:

Miller 8M for 7 years. Deal begins this summer at 30

Lindholm 4.85 this year. But 8.5M for 8 years beginning next summer at 29.

PLD 8.5 for 8 years. Deal begins this summer at age 25.

Who gives you the greatest value now and in the future?

Also keep in mind at some point fairly soon, 8.5 will likely seem like 6.5 does now.

Also, does the possibility of acquiring any of them without trading Toews affect the values?
 
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Considering some of the numbers recently discussed:

Miller 8M for 7 years. Deal begins this summer at 30

Lindholm 4.85 this year. But 8.5M for 8 years beginning next summer at 29.

PLD 8.5 for 8 years. Deal begins this summer at age 25.

Who gives you the greatest value now and in the future?

Also keep in mind at some point fairly soon, 8.5 will likely seem like 6.5 does now.

Based on that, surely PLD but I would be ecstatic with any of those options because we're imploding in 2-3+ years anyways.
 
I'd go with Lindholm. His game will age better than PLD and he is cheaper during a critical year..
PLD is young enough that even a 7 or 8 year contract isn't scary. Similar to Tkachuk in Florida. When you get to sign an UFA long term at age 25 instead of 29-30 it's a huge win. You're basically trading 3-4 bad years for 3-4 prime years.

With Lindholm you're looking at a bad contract no matter what.
 
If PLD can be had for a reasonable price and his wishes to go to Montreal have subsided, sure, go after him. However, he’s shown that he’s willing to shit the bed to get what he wants, so there’s a decent chance he just dogs it when something doesn’t go his way
 
Conroy said he’s gotta do something about UFAs to be like Lindholm and that he’d like to get picks and prospects and get younger. If I’m CMac that’s the 1st call I make. Call and make an offer for Lindholm starting with the 1st round pick
 
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Both PLD and Lindholm would be excellent fits for the 2C spot... But I think PLD is just a touch of a better fit, he brings a little bit more if that agitator element to his game that we're missing without Kadri and JTC quite frankly. We could use another good player that can get under the other teams skin.


I dont really care about the age difference personally as I'm sure by the time either of them are 30/31 years old we're well past out contending window, but PLD would also give us 6 more season before he cross that threshold while Lindholm only 2. But, Lindholm will be cheaper for this year at just $4.85M versus PLD being at least $6M.
 
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Calgary pretty much needs to move out money this summer. Even if Kylington is MIA all year again, they only have 3.75 m left, and thats with a roster of 10F-6D-2G. And if Kylington returns, thats 1.25 m for 2-3 forwards.
 
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