Avaholic29
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I wouldn’t want to move mikko for matthews so f*** fantasy land.
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I wouldn’t want to move mikko for matthews so f*** fantasy land.
Matthews provides precisely one advantage in that he's a Center.
Rantanen is way too much to pay him as a rental and extending Matthews leaves over $26M tied up on two centers starting 24-25.
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Had that worked, it would have solved the 2C problem for 3 seasons. Then the Avs would have just had to look at picking up wings who could score some goals. Those guys are available every deadline and every offseason.
Then again, you have a 55 goal guy at wing, pretty hard to mess with that......
henchman21
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I don’t believe you. There is no other reason to have that trash stache than for mustache rides.
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Matthews looks like he eats his own ass as well tbf.
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Makar’s time is running out. His hairline is a liability.
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Makar at least has the complexion of a young man. Matthews looks, if we're being charitable, like a sex offender.
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Serious question, do you think the Avs would be smart enough to offer JTC something like 4M x 8 years? Would JTC take it?
JTC is a solid 3C that I'd prefer to keep. But the numbers might not be there on a shorter term deal. But longer term the number comes down and might be manageable.
I know the backend of deal isn't great, but we are already going to be screwed once all our guys get older so who really cares.
We lose him and our center depth quickly becomes 29 and then AHLers. Keep JTC and we are still only missing a 2C and that is something we can still resolve. But finding a 2C and 3C becomes a tall task.
JTC is a solid 3C that I'd prefer to keep. But the numbers might not be there on a shorter term deal. But longer term the number comes down and might be manageable.
I know the backend of deal isn't great, but we are already going to be screwed once all our guys get older so who really cares.
We lose him and our center depth quickly becomes 29 and then AHLers. Keep JTC and we are still only missing a 2C and that is something we can still resolve. But finding a 2C and 3C becomes a tall task.
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Now that Carolina is out, putting this here. I'll be very interested in how they handle their roster over the next 18 months. They have shown a tendency to keep their pending UFAs and then letting them walk at the end. They almost never sign big or long-term UFA deals for any player regardless if they were on the team or not. Aho, Teravainen, Pesce, and Skjei all expire after next season. Slavin in 2025. Do we get a Last Dance situation... or do they change tendencies?
I wouldn't call that a smart deal.
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They'll keep it, draft a bust, and trade them for nothing in 5 years time.
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Will be a big mistake. They can’t fill Landy’s spot on the wing and get a 2C without trading the 1st
henchman21
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I doubt the Avs trade the 1st for this year. The closest to trading a near future first was Kuemper that was a whole season away. They haven't made a summer trade of a current year 1st since they moved down in the 2005 draft.
Saying this, the Avs have changed tendencies in the past and they could again this year. But they'd be essentially throwing away the work of the scouts for a 2nd straight season if they did so.
Saying this, the Avs have changed tendencies in the past and they could again this year. But they'd be essentially throwing away the work of the scouts for a 2nd straight season if they did so.
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After hearing what Conroy had to say yesterday, it's pretty clear that they'll try to sign him but if he's not extending early on in July, they are going to move him. He said he learned from the Gaudreau situation... also said he's anticipating adding young players to his roster.
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Damn it Conroy your going to f**k this up for us!
LeBrun also saying Gallant is a candidate in Calgary. He will get them going in the right direction…. For a year.
I'm not convinced Lindholm is staying there.
henchman21
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Calgary will go the route that if they don't re-sign their UFAs that they do a firesale towards the deadline. You might have guys like Z and Toffoli moved this summer to clear some of the complexity, but Backlund, Hanifin, and Lindholm won't move in the summer even if they don't sign. First for the reason that they want to keep those guys even in a re-tool... second the value is actually higher at the deadline than it is in the summer.
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Calgary is going the Penguins/Bruins route. With Weegar, Huberdeau and Kadri's contracts they have to keep trying to win for as long as they can even if the core is old as f***
Soon they'll have 5 players over 30 signed for 6 or more years at big AAV
Soon they'll have 5 players over 30 signed for 6 or more years at big AAV
That work is worth throwing away if we're being honest.
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I would like to see CMac be bold. Come July 1, he should be calling RFAs as well as UFAs. I would love to see him go the offer sheet route to fix our 2C hole. It's a legal move. Yes, it's considered a dick move, but hey nobody was willing to trade us a 2C last season so f'em.
You're not wrong. Not by a long shot.
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I'm not saying you're wrong... but teams don't normally do that. Let's just extend the thought experiment. Say the Avs trade the 1st. That would leave them with just 3 picks this year and in the 5th+ rounds. Over the course of 2 years, they'd have a total of 5 picks with none earlier than 155. I could be wrong here, but I can't recall a single team since the lockout having so few picks and all so late in the draft.
Here are the examples I recall off hand:
Toronto in 21 had only 3 picks, but had a 2nd rounder in Knies. I think they had 9 picks in 22 and 12 or 13 in 20.
Columbus in 19 had 3 picks (2 in the 4th round which if i recall came from them moving back), but they had 6 in 18 and 5 in 20.
Dallas had 4 in 19, but a full draft in 18 and a 20 was light missing 2nd and 3rd IIRC, but had their first
Arizona in 20 had 5 picks, but more than full drafts surrounding it.
Pens in 15 had 4 picks (one in the 2nd round) and less than full drafts surrounding it (5 and 6 each IIRC)
Caps in 19 and 17 had 4 picks each (17 was missing the first 2 or 3 rounds)
Winnipeg in 20 and 21 only had 4 picks but had 1sts and 2nds in both.
I'm sure there are examples of less picks... but say the Avs move that 1st. They'd be significantly below any team I can recall in recent memory... and this continues to extend into the future. Currently in 24, the Avs are missing their 2nd, 3rd, and 5th. Meaning if both firsts got moved they'd not have a top 96 pick for 3 seasons in a row. As I've been going through, this actually caught me a bit off guard. I knew in the back of my head they had moved a lot of picks... but missing this level of picks is pretty unheard of.
Now that doesn't change how I feel about moving the picks... I say move them and deal with the future, in the future. Avs need to try to win now as much as possible. But there is just so little capital in the pool and picks (that isn't helped by making some really poor picks) that it is kinda scary. Without a doubt, I can see the scouts and a number of front office staff waiving this red flag and having a lot of sway with it. Uncharted territory really. Which is also probably why we've seen so many college free agents signed.
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I wonder whether there’s a Kessel Toronto-P’burgh trade w/ retention Colorado could exploit, particularly given the Landy/Nuke situations.
henchman21
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Spleenless Wonder21
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I suppose I should have said I wonder whether there’s a Kessel Toronto-P’burgh situation Colorado could be likely to exploit.
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