Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[quesosauce]

second the value is actually higher at the deadline than it is in the summer.

unless the player gets hurt

 

[henchman21]

unless the player gets hurt

In reality, that issue doesn't come up all that often. It happens from time to time, but the odds are against it cratering value.

 

[Vaslof]

I doubt the Avs trade the 1st for this year. The closest to trading a near future first was Kuemper that was a whole season away. They haven't made a summer trade of a current year 1st since they moved down in the 2005 draft.

Saying this, the Avs have changed tendencies in the past and they could again this year. But they'd be essentially throwing away the work of the scouts for a 2nd straight season if they did so.

It would not be wasted work even if picks get traded. The scouting helps in deciding whether they want to keep or trade picks.

 

[henchman21]

It would not be wasted work even if picks get traded. The scouting helps in deciding whether they want to keep or trade picks.

Sure to an extent… and to an extent the reports help in trades down the line.

Here’s the rub though… scouts work hard and like anybody they want to feel they are contributing to the organization. If they don’t feel that way, the good ones will eventually move on for better opportunities. Right now they are basically working to get a chance at 2 or 3 guys hovering around 75-90 on the internal list. Guys they don’t feel have much of a chance of contributing.

 

[Avaholic29]

I doubt the Avs trade the 1st for this year. The closest to trading a near future first was Kuemper that was a whole season away. They haven't made a summer trade of a current year 1st since they moved down in the 2005 draft.

Saying this, the Avs have changed tendencies in the past and they could again this year. But they'd be essentially throwing away the work of the scouts for a 2nd straight season if they did so.

The work the Avs amateur scouts do is not very good lol, trade the pick.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Sure to an extent… and to an extent the reports help in trades down the line.

Here’s the rub though… scouts work hard and like anybody they want to feel they are contributing to the organization. If they don’t feel that way, the good ones will eventually move on for better opportunities. Right now they are basically working to get a chance at 2 or 3 guys hovering around 75-90 on the internal list. Guys they don’t feel have much of a chance of contributing.

But...on the flip side, the scouts had all the opportunities in the world until the last few seasons. And what did they do with them? Jack-shit, would be the only correct answer.

 

[henchman21]

But...on the flip side, the scouts had all the opportunities in the world until the last few seasons. And what did they do with them? Jack-shit, would be the only correct answer.

Depends how you view it… they landed some good trade chips. There has also been some signs of improvement, only signs and we have no idea how it will play out in the end.

Who had me coming to defend scouts on their 2023 bingo card?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Depends how you view it… they landed some good trade chips. There has also been some signs of improvement, only signs and we have no idea how it will play out in the end.

Who had me coming to defend scouts on their 2023 bingo card?

I legit snorted out loud at that. Congrats.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

Calgary will go the route that if they don't re-sign their UFAs that they do a firesale towards the deadline. You might have guys like Z and Toffoli moved this summer to clear some of the complexity, but Backlund, Hanifin, and Lindholm won't move in the summer even if they don't sign. First for the reason that they want to keep those guys even in a re-tool... second the value is actually higher at the deadline than it is in the summer.

 

[Freaky Styley]

My sense is the Avs are going to try to extend Toews ~ the $7M mark, and sign Byram to a 3 year bridge around 4M. Then trade Girad & Newhook in a package for a 2C (Lindholm please). I actually see Calgary having interest in Newhook.

That leaves us with our top 3 D getting paid ~20M for 2 seasons which ain't bad at all for players of their caliber. Toews is likely dealt when Bo needs a new deal, or we see if trading Bo becomes an option then.

 

[dahrougem2]

My sense is the Avs are going to try to extend Toews ~ the $7M mark, and sign Byram to a 3 year bridge around 4M. Then trade Girad & Newhook in a package for a 2C (Lindholm please). I actually see Calgary having interest in Newhook.

That leaves us with our top 3 D getting paid ~20M for 2 seasons which ain't bad at all for players of their caliber. Toews is likely dealt when Bo needs a new deal, or we see if trading Bo becomes an option then.

Why would Calgary have any interest in Newhook? They have several wingers better than him.

 

[missionAvs]

Why would Calgary have any interest in Newhook? They have several wingers better than him.

Shhhh. They might not know that....



No way, we can't trade NewJost! The dude is overflowing with potential and has future 1C written all over him! If the Flames want to acquire him, they actually have to relinquish something that hurts like future top pairing defender Nikita Zadorov.

 

[Brett44]

Adding Mantha doesn’t make the team tougher. It certainly makes us lazier though.

He can't be lazy if he play with Mack and Lekhonen. At 50% for a B prospect or better option like
Girard for Mantha 50% and Alexeyev
Sign Domi (play very good with Dallas)
Sign Engvall
Sign vet RHD Stecher,Hamonic or Soucy
Good summer.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I’d offer JTC 8 years, 3.85M AAV to see if he bites. That’s around 30M total. For some perspective, a 5 year, 5.5M AAV deal is 27.5M total which is what we expect he’ll get on the open market.

He’s not a 2C. That’s been proven. But this team is thin down the middle and getting him on great value at the expense of a few extra years is something I’d be all over. You need depth. I just don’t think he would take that type of deal without dipping his toe into the market first.

 

[Balthazar]

Remember how LeBrun kept linking the Avs to Monahan last year? LeBrun is the only insider that has access to Sakic/Macfarland.

If he's healthy to play and sign somewhere I bet he's going to be an Av on a bargain deal. Can't be count on to be our 2C of course but would add center depth.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Remember how LeBrun kept linking the Avs to Monahan last year? LeBrun is the only insider that has access to Sakic/Macfarland.

If he's healthy to play and sign somewhere I bet he's going to be an Av on a bargain deal. Can't be count on to be our 2C of course but would add center depth.

Yup this is a legit possibility. It be fine with it too. In fact, I’d be fine using Landeskog’s LTIR to just overload on forward depth. If we could somehow get all 3 of JTC, Monahan and Drouin for 7ish M combined that would be fantastic even though there’s a lot of question marks there.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Yup this is a legit possibility. It be fine with it too. In fact, I’d be fine using Landeskog’s LTIR to just overload on forward depth. If we could somehow get all 3 of JTC, Monahan and Drouin for 7ish M combined that would be fantastic even though there’s a lot of question marks there.

 

[henchman21]

I’d offer JTC 8 years, 3.85M AAV to see if he bites. That’s around 30M total. For some perspective, a 5 year, 5.5M AAV deal is 27.5M total which is what we expect he’ll get on the open market.

He’s not a 2C. That’s been proven. But this team is thin down the middle and getting him on great value at the expense of a few extra years is something I’d be all over. You need depth. I just don’t think he would take that type of deal without dipping his toe into the market first.

IMO JTC is going to turn into a pumpkin sooner rather than later. Give him a 8 year contract and in year 2 he turns into a pumpkin... you're kinda F'd.

The Avs certainly need center depth and they need versatility... but IMO they need to move to get answers and real solutions. Not maybe if the stars align sort of guys. Another wasted year could slam the window shut. I'm fine with taking a trending chance or a singular one... but hopes and dreams into a Monahan, JTC, and Drouin combo would be an all in on a 10,000:1 chance.

 

[Balthazar]

Yup this is a legit possibility. It be fine with it too. In fact, I’d be fine using Landeskog’s LTIR to just overload on forward depth. If we could somehow get all 3 of JTC, Monahan and Drouin for 7ish M combined that would be fantastic even though there’s a lot of question marks there.

Monahan would get hurt, JTC would be our 2C to start the playoffs again next year and we'd end up just like this year. No thanks to any scenario involving JTC coming back.

 

[dahrougem2]

Monahan would get hurt, JTC would be our 2C to start the playoffs again next year and we'd end up just like this year. No thanks to any scenario with JTC coming back.

Don't understand the last part. The issue in what you've just presented is Monahan, not Compher.

 

[Balthazar]

Don't understand the last part. The issue in what you've just presented is Monahan, not Compher.

No it's Compher.

Monahan on a 1M deal doesnt hurt the team, he's a lottery ticket. He'd basically replace Helm but with a higher ceiling.

If JTC comes back they'll count on him. Totally different.

 

[dahrougem2]

No it's Compher.

Monahan on a 1M deal doesnt hurt the team, he's a lottery ticket. He'd basically replace Helm but with a higher ceiling.

If JTC comes back they'll count on him. Totally different.

Your scenario has Monahan as the 2C, then getting hurt. That seems like a Monahan problem, not a Compher problem.

Take any team and force their 3C to become their 2C and shit gets dire.

 

[Balthazar]

Your scenario has Monahan as the 2C, then getting hurt. That seems like a Monahan problem, not a Compher problem.

That was Cousin Eddie's scenario.

JTC + Monahan doesn't work. PLD + Monahan works. Hope it's clearer!

 

[dahrougem2]

That was Cousin Eddie's scenario.

JTC + Monahan doesn't work. PLD + Monahan works. Hope it's clearer!

Sure it's his scenario, but you've taken it and twisted it. Your 2nd scenario doesn't make sense either. Sure, it's got PLD there but then Monahan getting hurt results in what, Ben Meyers playing 3C?

In either scenario, Monahan is the problem.

 

[henchman21]

I want a world without JTC and Monahan.