Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[henchman21]

Trying a young 1st round pick as a 2C for 3/4 of a season isn't exactly excessive... They held on to him a long time, but as a bottom 6 forward only.

JTC was used as a 3rd liner pretty much allof his career. He was doing well enough there, although much maligned, until we won the cup... nothing unusual there either...

Its pretty much the same thing with Newhook. He' didn't see much top 6 duty, unless the injuries pile-up and the 3rd line becomes the 2nd line. And rightly so. He was a cost controlled bottom 6 asset. Whoever still rambles about Newhook as the 2C hasn't been paying attention, because I don't think he even played 15 games there, most of them at the beginning of the season...

The rambling about Newhook is a direct result of him being the first option there to start this season and was penciled in to start the season. He didn't stick there because he sucked in the role. This is a pattern the Avs have shown many times over the years. They will put the prospects they draft for roles, in those roles... then will let them sink or swim (along with the team). Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, the Avs have tended to hang on a bit too long before pulling the plug. Normal human nature stuff, but they lost a lot of value with Jost over the years and are doing the same with Newhook.

I'm pretty meh on hits... players that pile up more hits usually are doing so because they have the puck less and are trying to break up plays. I do wish there was public data on hits that result in a turnover... and then splitting that data into zones (I know there is private data on this stat). That means a hell of a lot more to me than raw hits.

 

[dahrougem2]

Well the problem with hits is every arena records then differently. For example JTC had 37 last year and 31 the year before. JJ had 42 on the other hand EJ had 121 last year, yet I can’t remember a single one that was a remotely good hit. His skating means he is always late and usually misses his target. Not a single one of those hits was effective. Manson had
64 in 27 games. His were noticeable and effective. But if he’s. The only guy and can only play 25% of the games it’s just not enough. Plain and simple.

Mantha may not be as tough as I remembered him being in Detroit. He fought a lot back then (though he’s a terrible fighter) and he hit and won his battles. He’s certainly not my first choice but I’d hardly call him soft. The Team need to get tougher over all period. The bottom six is a joke.

Listen, if Anthony Mantha was capable of winning his battles, playing a relatively physical game for a guy 6'5" and 230 pounds, and could score goals do you seriously believe the Red Wings and now potentially Capitals would be wanting to get rid of the guy? He'd be one of the hottest commodities in the league.

He hasn't given a shit in a long, long time. He's soft, he loses his battles, he doesn't go to the net, and he struggles to score goals these days.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Well the problem with hits is every arena records then differently. For example JTC had 37 last year and 31 the year before. JJ had 42 on the other hand EJ had 121 last year, yet I can’t remember a single one that was a remotely good hit. His skating means he is always late and usually misses his target. Not a single one of those hits was effective. Manson had
64 in 27 games. His were noticeable and effective. But if he’s. The only guy and can only play 25% of the games it’s just not enough. Plain and simple.

Mantha may not be as tough as I remembered him being in Detroit. He fought a lot back then (though he’s a terrible fighter) and he hit and won his battles. He’s certainly not my first choice but I’d hardly call him soft. The Team need to get tougher over all period. The bottom six is a joke.

Why? Why does that matter even remotely?

The Avs arent a physical team and they don't pretend to be. That isn't the way Bednar wants them to play.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Well the problem with hits is every arena records then differently. For example JTC had 37 last year and 31 the year before. JJ had 42 on the other hand EJ had 121 last year, yet I can’t remember a single one that was a remotely good hit. His skating means he is always late and usually misses his target. Not a single one of those hits was effective. Manson had
64 in 27 games. His were noticeable and effective. But if he’s. The only guy and can only play 25% of the games it’s just not enough. Plain and simple.

Mantha may not be as tough as I remembered him being in Detroit. He fought a lot back then (though he’s a terrible fighter) and he hit and won his battles. He’s certainly not my first choice but I’d hardly call him soft. The Team need to get tougher over all period. The bottom six is a joke.

Adding Mantha doesn’t make the team tougher. It certainly makes us lazier though.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

They definitely do, but they also need guys that compete. Mantha is not one of those guys. I will not be surprised if once his contract ends he bounces around the league for a couple of seasons on cheap contracts before heading to Europe.

You can't win with players like Mantha.

The roster tilted too much towards the hard working grinder types last year. They need an injection of skill.

I’d be fine with him as a secondary pickup. Adding a top-6 forward comes first, but I’d like to add on top of that.

 

[Gruyeriev]

Listen, if Anthony Mantha was capable of winning his battles, playing a relatively physical game for a guy 6'5" and 230 pounds, and could score goals do you seriously believe the Red Wings and now potentially Capitals would be wanting to get rid of the guy? He'd be one of the hottest commodities in the league.

He hasn't given a shit in a long, long time. He's soft, he loses his battles, he doesn't go to the net, and he struggles to score goals these days.

Yes teams tend to keep their good players and let flawed players go. You typically overpay for flawed free agents. We don’t have much assets to trade so what do you expect CMac to do? Keep signing career AHLer and throwing them into the lineup? Keep digging for magic beans? Have you seen the list of players available this year? You have already shit all over PLD and Schiefele. Who do you think they are going to get lol?

 

[dahrougem2]

Yes teams tend to keep their good players and let flawed players go. You typically overpay for flawed free agents. We don’t have much assets to trade so what do you expect CMac to do? Keep signing career AHLer and throwing them into the lineup? Keep digging for magic beans? Have you seen the list of players available this year? You have already shit all over PLD and Schiefele. Who do you think they are going to get lol?

They are going to get someone who fits the system and can fit with Bednar. Anthony Mantha fits neither of those categories.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Friedman mentioned on 32T today that E. Lindholm is a Newport guy, and so is Bo Horvat, and said the Horvat contract is a starting point for Lindholm's next deal.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Friedman mentioned on 32T today that E. Lindholm is a Newport guy, and so is Bo Horvat, and said the Horvat contract is a starting point for Lindholm's next deal.

This is where you have to choose between expensive third pairing D or quality top 6 players (namely C).

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

If, hypothetically, Elias Lindholm has communicated he isn’t interested in an extension this summer, which teams might be willing to give up their 2023 first-round pick in a package to get him?

Could CGY get a pick higher than their own in this coming draft? (Washington, Pittsburgh, Nashville, St. Louis, etc. might not be interested in playing the long game) — Jeff H.

In my view, I’d be very surprised if you could land a top-10 draft choice for Elias Lindholm. None of those teams in that range are a trade away from being a contender and I think they’d much rather have the younger, talented player on an entry-level deal instead of a centre much closer to their ceiling. But I could be wrong, and I wonder how they’d feel about negotiating with Calgary if Lindholm was willing to commit to a new destination long-term.

If you’re looking at the teams that Jeff listed above, I’m not particularly convinced of Washington as a trading partner as they are inching further away from their Cup window. Pittsburgh is on the verge of getting newer faces in management but they need talent surrounding their big three of Sidney Crosby, Kris Letang and Evgeni Malkin. Even then, their core is closer to its end. Would the Penguins consider parting with their No. 14 draft choice considering the talent pool and where their core is going?

Finally, St. Louis and Nashville both have multiple first-round picks. They might be more willing to move the lower of their two picks to make it happen. So, if you’re not hung up on getting a top-15 pick, those cities might be potential starting points. I think the Flames would be more likely to get that first-rounder from any contending team below them. Think of teams like Colorado, Toronto and Minnesota as examples.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Welcome to Denver, Elias.

 

[Pokecheque]

On one hand, yeah, if he's available he's the best option hands-down to fix what ails the Avalanche center depth chart.

On the other hand, he's got one year remaining at a steep discount and will very likely command Kadri money, if not better, in free agency.

So yeah, go for it if you can but keep in mind that's likely a one-year rental. And we likely won't be cheap.

 

[henchman21]

Lindholm would be great, but that article is pure speculation on teams that may want to trade for him.

 

[henchman21]

On one hand, yeah, if he's available he's the best option hands-down to fix what ails the Avalanche center depth chart.

On the other hand, he's got one year remaining at a steep discount and will very likely command Kadri money, if not better, in free agency.

So yeah, go for it if you can but keep in mind that's likely a one-year rental. And we likely won't be cheap.

Lindholm is a 8 x 8.5+ deal with the potential for 9+

 

[EdAVSfan]

On one hand, yeah, if he's available he's the best option hands-down to fix what ails the Avalanche center depth chart.

On the other hand, he's got one year remaining at a steep discount and will very likely command Kadri money, if not better, in free agency.

So yeah, go for it if you can but keep in mind that's likely a one-year rental. And we likely won't be cheap.

If he commands Kadri money, you laugh and sign him all day. He’s 4 years younger than Kadri. His next deal would only start at 29. You’re getting many quality years at least out of the 7.

 

[Balthazar]

Lindholm is a 8 x 8.5+ deal with the potential for 9+

So that's him or Rantanen. Can afford only one.

 

[henchman21]

So that's him or Rantanen. Can afford only one.

I'd say any of the big money wingers... could give up Nuke and afford it with some other trims. At some point though, the Avs have to reallocate salary from either the wings or defense to center... and not an insignificant amount either.

 

[Vaslof]

So that's him or Rantanen. Can afford only one.

Rants contract gonna be tough regardless of other moves. He's one of the best in the league and is going to get paid. Probably MacKinnon money.

At least with Landeskog money going out, we can now realistically get that strong 2C.

 

[henchman21]

Rants contract gonna be tough regardless of other moves. He's one of the best in the league and is going to get paid. Probably MacKinnon money.

At least with Landeskog money going out, we can now realistically get that strong 2C.

Rants will want more than MacK. Probably 1.5-2m more.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Rants will want more than MacK. Probably 1.5-2m more.

Oh yah. I cant wait to see what Matthews gets, then Leon then Connie. Some big money about to be shelled out.

 

[Ararana]

Oh yah. I cant wait to see what Matthews gets, then Leon then Connie. Some big money about to be shelled out.

Dubas set Matthews up to completely screw over whichever poor bastard takes over that organization. They're going to pay that kid up the ass to not walk on them.

 

[Vaslof]

Rants will want more than MacK. Probably 1.5-2m more.

Yeah better to just enjoy his last two years here.

 

[Ararana]

Yeah better to just enjoy his last two years here.

Two years? We're probably talking about trading him next summer if his contract demands are too high.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If the pending salary for Lindholm is too steep, maybe Backlund is the better option? His next deal likely won't be as much as his current deal. He also seems to be aging well.

If they trade Lindholm though, Calgary might be determined to hold on to Backlund.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Two years? We're probably talking about trading him next summer if his contract demands are too high.

Damn I dont even wanna think about that. As much as I goof on Mikko for not always being engaged the man produces at an elite level lol.