Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[John Mandalorian]

2C and 3C are really the most important positions we have to fill for next year and arguably the only positions... It only makes sense to talk about them over anything else.

How much time do you give the Avs on settling on a 2C before you move on to the next choice?

 

[Gruyeriev]

Hits like a truck? You gotta beg this guy to engage physically.

You think everyone’s avoiding contact. He will fit right in with PLD or Schiefele on our new 2nd line.

BTW 68 hits out of 67 GP. He may not be Gudas but he will provide some more desperately needed physicality.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Kill me

Don’t worry, your body will force an aneurysm once you see this super team in action

 

[henchman21]

Don’t worry, your body will force an aneurysm once you see this super team in action

You’re assuming I make it that far.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

You think everyone’s avoiding contact. He will fit right in with PLD or Schiefele on our new 2nd line.

BTW 68 hits out of 67 GP. He may not be Gudas but he will provide some more desperately needed physicality.

Averaging a hit a game isn’t exactly impressive. For example the hits leader this year had 318 hits in 70 games or about 4.5 hits/game.

To put that in a different perspective he averages less than 1/4 of the league leader. McDavid led the league with 153 points. The equivalent ratio, but in points would be about 35 points.

So in essence, if Mantha and his intimidating hit per game presence will boost this teams physicality, pre-2023 JTC would be a huge boost to this teams offense

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

You’re assuming I make it that far.

My bad use of math and worse analogies are going to be that insufferable hey?

 

[dahrougem2]

You think everyone’s avoiding contact. He will fit right in with PLD or Schiefele on our new 2nd line.

BTW 68 hits out of 67 GP. He may not be Gudas but he will provide some more desperately needed physicality.

He is soft as baby shit for his size. You would need to pay me an asset to take that guy.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

He is soft as baby shit for his size. You would need to pay me an asset to take that guy.

I fully agree with you. There was a time where I would’ve been really interested in him, but he simply stopped developing and never took the next step. He has all the physical tools to be a much bigger impact player, but simply doesn’t seem interested

 

[henchman21]

There are plenty of imperfect players I’d take for the role, including Schiefele. The perfect player is unlikely as any team wouldn’t be letting that player go. I accept solid to good 2C and just be happy if that happens.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Mantha at 50% retained would be good value.

I don’t care that he’s soft, or disinterested at times. He can score goals, which is more than you can say for most of the forwards on this team.

Coming off a down year, I can’t imagine he’d be overly pricey to acquire.

 

[dahrougem2]

What is this myth that Anthony Mantha apparently is some goal scorer? Where does that come from? His two and only 20+ goal seasons from 5 and 6 years ago, respectively?

Guy scored 11 goals this past season. This isn't a Vrana situation. This is a guy who very clearly does not give a shit and is happy collecting his money.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

What is this myth that Anthony Mantha apparently is some goal scorer? Where does that come from? His two and only 20+ goal seasons from 5 and 6 years ago, respectively?

Guy scored 11 goals this past season. This isn't a Vrana situation. This is a guy who very clearly does not give a shit and is happy collecting his money.

I think a lot of fans are desperate not to waste this core so even mediocrity looks good

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I think a lot of fans are desperate not to waste this core so even mediocrity looks good

Mediocrity looks great compared to what I just witnessed from the bottom-9 this playoff.

I don’t even think guys like Mantha, or Drouin are that great, but holy f*** they need some guys who can actually produce a little offence.

 

[dahrougem2]

Mediocrity looks great compared to what I just witnessed from the bottom-9 this playoff.

I don’t even think guys like Mantha, or Drouin are that great, but holy f*** they need some guys who can actually produce a little offence.

They definitely do, but they also need guys that compete. Mantha is not one of those guys. I will not be surprised if once his contract ends he bounces around the league for a couple of seasons on cheap contracts before heading to Europe.

You can't win with players like Mantha.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

So:

JTC: 5 X 5.3M
ERod: 3 X 3.7M
ROR: 3 X 5.5M
Drouin: 1 X 2M

Yuck JTC and Erod. I hope we don't touch those.

 

[Hasbro]

What is this myth that Anthony Mantha apparently is some goal scorer? Where does that come from? His two and only 20+ goal seasons from 5 and 6 years ago, respectively?

Guy scored 11 goals this past season. This isn't a Vrana situation. This is a guy who very clearly does not give a shit and is happy collecting his money.

6'5"

 

[Avaholic29]

So:

JTC: 5 X 5.3M
ERod: 3 X 3.7M
ROR: 3 X 5.5M
Drouin: 1 X 2M

I’d have zero faith in another cup if we give compher a top 6 forward deal. Wouldn’t give him a dollar more than he was making and even then I’d hate it.

 

[Hasbro]

So:

JTC: 5 X 5.3M
ERod: 3 X 3.7M
ROR: 3 X 5.5M
Drouin: 1 X 2M

 

[Mighty Makar]

If we re-sign JTC….

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

If we re-sign JTC….

You'll love this f***en team?

 

[Mighty Makar]

You'll love this f***en team?

Lol.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

They thought Newhook could handle the role and stated as such. They said they had other options if it didn't work. Why they thought that I will never know as it was plain as day that it wouldn't

It would be one thing if this was a one off where the Avs tried this philosophy... but the Avs have done this a bunch over the years. They overrate their own young players for roles and try to force it until they finally come to the realization that it won't work.

They're not mutually exclusive. Once you've decided to sign the other three and only have the cap to fill the 2C at the deadline, of course you're going to say that you will give newhook all the opportunities in the world... you don't have a choice, whether you really think he can do it or not.

Jost indeed comes to mind, but even him, they tried him a lot in the bottom 6, but not a lot as a top 6 forward once it became clear he wasn't up to it.

 

[henchman21]

They're not mutually exclusive. Once you've decided to sign the other three and only have the cap to fill the 2C at the deadline, of course you're going to say that you will give newhook all the opportunities in the world... you don't have a choice, whether you really think he can do it or not.

Jost indeed comes to mind, but even him, they tried him a lot in the bottom 6, but not a lot as a top 6 forward once it became clear he wasn't up to it.

They've done it with Jost, Compher, Stastny, and Duchene over the years too with varying results. Avs are very much a team that projects young players into roles in the future and gives them run there before exploring other options. I'm sure that Newhook wasn't plan A in the summer, but the clearly felt comfortable enough with it to give a run. They penciled him into the role once they drafted him. Just like they did with Jost.

They tried Jost pretty hard until it was clear it wouldn't work. Jost spent most of his 2nd full season as the 2C... at least until mid January that season where he got pushed down the lineup. Once that happened, they made the Kadri move in the summer.

 

[GoNordiquesGo]

Trying a young 1st round pick as a 2C for 3/4 of a season isn't exactly excessive... They held on to him a long time, but as a bottom 6 forward only.

JTC was used as a 3rd liner pretty much allof his career. He was doing well enough there, although much maligned, until we won the cup... nothing unusual there either...

Its pretty much the same thing with Newhook. He' didn't see much top 6 duty, unless the injuries pile-up and the 3rd line becomes the 2nd line. And rightly so. He was a cost controlled bottom 6 asset. Whoever still rambles about Newhook as the 2C hasn't been paying attention, because I don't think he even played 15 games there, most of them at the beginning of the season...

 

[Gruyeriev]

Averaging a hit a game isn’t exactly impressive. For example the hits leader this year had 318 hits in 70 games or about 4.5 hits/game.

To put that in a different perspective he averages less than 1/4 of the league leader. McDavid led the league with 153 points. The equivalent ratio, but in points would be about 35 points.

So in essence, if Mantha and his intimidating hit per game presence will boost this teams physicality, pre-2023 JTC would be a huge boost to this teams offense

Well the problem with hits is every arena records then differently. For example JTC had 37 last year and 31 the year before. JJ had 42 on the other hand EJ had 121 last year, yet I can’t remember a single one that was a remotely good hit. His skating means he is always late and usually misses his target. Not a single one of those hits was effective. Manson had
64 in 27 games. His were noticeable and effective. But if he’s. The only guy and can only play 25% of the games it’s just not enough. Plain and simple.

Mantha may not be as tough as I remembered him being in Detroit. He fought a lot back then (though he’s a terrible fighter) and he hit and won his battles. He’s certainly not my first choice but I’d hardly call him soft. The Team need to get tougher over all period. The bottom six is a joke.