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John Mandalorian said:
23, 67, 27. One of them is a contract year. Take a guess which.
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Yep, that happens quite a bit. Same with Kadri. Only very rarely will a player fall flat on his face in a contract season (see: John-Michael Liles).

Should also be noted that the last time Manson made it a full season (80 games in this case) was 2018.
 
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Pokecheque said:
Yep, that happens quite a bit. Same with Kadri. Only very rarely will a player fall flat on his face in a contract season (see: John-Michael Liles).

Should also be noted that the last time Manson made it a full season (80 games in this case) was 2018.
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Sorting out covid is problematic. But under 30 games for 2 of 3 years sandwiched around a contract year certainly makes one think it’s a significant coincidence.

If players out due to injury had to go to a convalescent boot camp, that’s somewhere in the middle of nowhere Wyoming, who knows how each player might be affected?
 
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The Abusement Park said:
They also won the cup due to an insanely deep forward core and a very good 1-2 punch down the middle.

Re signing Manson for sure had an impact on adding a 2C? That's 4.5mil of(very little) cap space that you have that you immediately cannot allocate towards the C position. They then added Erod this year at a decent price thanks to his agent being awful, but between those two that's 6.5mil that is gone that is more than enough money to add a C. They could've easily added a Manson like player without hamstringing themselves to another contract that will age like milk. They could've added a guy at the deadline for cheaper than a 2C would've cost at the TDL that's for sure. Manson(or a similar player) has value but re signing Manson(or a similar) player shouldn't have anywhere near the same importance as adding a 2C of some sort.
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Manson didn't impact their ability to bring in a 2C outside of last off season.

And if they didn't bring back Manson, they'd have to repalce him at the deadline too. Which would have meant giving up assets again for the same type of player at best, if not a worse one.

We can't criticize Manson's 4 year contract at 31 aging like milk, and then be upset they didn't bring back a 32 year old Kadri for 7 years, who reverted back to a 60 point center in year 1.

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I mean the decline is based on that he was a borderline top pairing guy a few years ago and is now nowhere near that level. Especially now that the injuries are piling up on this guy.
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No, that was in reply to Poke saying he's "more like a 5/6 at this point" and then "He was a #4 when he showed up, and he's most obviously in a decline."
 
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MacKaRant said:
It's great to know that we can use Landy's cap space this season for the increased cap flexibility, but I am a bit worried about the lack of assets we have to fill in the holes in the roster.

Toews and Byram are by far the best available assets, but moving either of those leaves a big hole to fill.

The 2023 first rounder is the next best asset that we would even consider moving in all likelihood, and because we won the division it's 27th overall instead of 21st or something similar, so value there is a bit lower.

Newhook's value can't be that high at the moment, and we don't have an A level prospect in the AHL or college.

UFA crop isn't that great, so while we'll sign a few guys from there, I don't think we're filling big holes from that list.

So, how we turn 2023 and 2024 first rounders plus Girard into a 2C plus a top 6 winger to replace Landy? Or, if we trade Toews or Byram, how do we fill the top 4 hole that's opened up?

Am I missing any assets? Doesn't this seem a bit thin for the kinds of moves we need to make?
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The Avs shouldn’t fill any spots or trade any tradable assets until the properly addressed 2C and possibly even 3C. But whatever they do, they need to act quickly. Lindholm is an ideal, but if it’s prolonged discussions, move on to other options.
 
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Balthazar said:
I thought he fractured something trying to block a shot?
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Are you thinking of EJ maybe? Fractured his ankle blocking that shot and then took a shot off the same ankle when he came back early that probably didn't do him any favors.

Manson had a high ankle sprain earlier in the year, then he came back and twisted the same ankle again. Then when he jumped straight into the playoffs, he looked like he was still very compromised by the injury.

Then he left a few games into the playoffs, and all the reports said he reaggravated the injury.

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Avalanche's Josh Manson: Aggravates old injury

Avalanche's Josh Manson: Aggravates old injury
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Foppa2118 said:
Manson didn't impact their ability to bring in a 2C outside of last off season.

And if they didn't bring back Manson, they'd have to repalce him at the deadline too. Which would have meant giving up assets again for the same type of player at best, if not a worse one.

We can't criticize Manson's 4 year contract at 31 aging like milk, and then be upset they didn't bring back a 32 year old Kadri for 7 years, who reverted back to a 60 point center in year 1.
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I mean it's still an impact now. It affects the cap space available to bring in a 2C.

That's fine, a Manson replacement at the deadline is cheaper than a Kadri replacement at the deadline.

I mean if the Avs had a legit 2C to replace Kadri than I'd agree. But the context between the roster holes are vastly different. Kadri's contract would most likely age poorly, but he'd have a much larger impact on the team in the short term than Manson would.
 
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Manson was legit awful in the playoffs. MacDermid level bad.

In saying that he was clearly injured. Hopefully he bounces back next season.

I supported not being back Naz, even though in a big fan.

In hindsight it’s hard to say if bringing him back would’ve been the right move. I still think the Avs were likely doomed without Landeskog and Nichushkin. Not to mention that Nichushkin story would’ve been a huge distraction if the Avs advanced.

That being said, the conference finalists this year are the weakest they’ve been in a long time. Maybe getting the extra boost from a Kadri pushes the Avs through a weaker playoff year. Hard to say. That contract will age poorly, but he would’ve helped the Avs a lot this year.
 
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The Abusement Park said:
I mean it's still an impact now. It affects the cap space available to bring in a 2C.

That's fine, a Manson replacement at the deadline is cheaper than a Kadri replacement at the deadline.

I mean if the Avs had a legit 2C to replace Kadri than I'd agree. But the context between the roster holes are vastly different. Kadri's contract would most likely age poorly, but he'd have a much larger impact on the team in the short term than Manson would.
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Manson at $4.5M x 4 + 2C on a better contract > Kadri at $7M x 7 + Manson replacement at the deadline.

Both would have given them a 2C for a run this year, but the latter is a bigger risk to impact them cap wise moving forward.

Also remember they may be able to move Manson back to Anaheim at the end of his deal. Both Josh and Anaheim will probably welcome it, and Anaheim will both be able to afford it, and could use him to help during their rebuild.

The only way this argument about Manson exists, is because the season from hell changed their calculus to trade for a 2C. Even with all the injuries eating up their cap space, they probably still could have brought in a decent 2C at the deadline becasue the contract would have been pro rated and also possibly with retention.

So you can say they made the wrong decision not to trade for a 2C at the deadline, but not that Manson prevented them from trading for a 2C.
 
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The other side of the original Vrana trade. IMO whoever trades peanuts for him for the last year of his contract will hit a homerun.

1 year left at 5.7M

 
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