Player Discussion: official trade deadline 2025 // discussion thread

[cbjthrowaway]

I mentioned Morgan Geekie a few pages back. Not sure how people feel about him, but nobody really said anything so I assume people aren’t fans of his? 26 yo and RFA.

I think he'd be a bit more expensive than maybe some folks realize. underlying stats are really good this year – his athletic card has him at a +6, which is right around where voronkov/KJ/chinakhov are (all are +7 currently).

maybe a more realistic target than people around here realize (right handed, good defensive metrics, drafted by waddell) but maybe not an ideal add since he's not much of a playmaker. could do a lot worse, though.

if we're talking boston, I'd love to scoop up pavel zacha. true matchup forward but can contribute on a scoring line and puts up second line level production, very good on the dot, has term at a reasonable AAV and is reasonably young.

He did later address the Seth Jones situation in his CBJ vs. CHI post.
He quoted Han too. My takeaway from this is that Jones projects to be a short-term improvement on Provorov, but his contract coupled with his defensive defencies means that he probably makes little sense long-term.

I liked this quote:

definitely agree with the idea that the ideal version of severson (one who is mistake-limited) is better than the current version of jones, but I'd argue that both players have fundamentally unfixable characteristics within their game at the moment. with jones, it's his glide/pivots/gaps, and with severson it's the mental side.

that said, severson may only be more valuable in a vacuum. mateychuk was awesome last night and looks to be on a trajectory where he's going to be a difference maker very soon. severson being a better potential fit on paper doesn't matter if evason doesn't trust him to play 20+ minutes, and he sure doesn't seem to.

schumacher drew a parallel between jones and provorov, but the key element of the provorov/severson dichotomy is that ice time is determined by the coach's trust more than it is by impact. seth jones, by that measure, has always been a player who coaches want out there playing huge minutes.

I don't think jones is an ideal target but there are some elements that appeal to me. a two-step where they bring in a retained seth jones and move out one of provorov/severson could be workable:

1. with jones in + severson out
   • werenski-fabbro
     mateychuk-jones
     provorov-gudbranson
   • dedicated shutdown pair, potential to swap provorov/mateychuk if mateychuk struggles, can treat provorov as an in-house rental, etc
2. with jones in + provorov out
   • werenski - fabbro
     mateychuk - jones
     christiansen - severson
     
     
   • no dedicated shutdown pair, but puts severson in a position to tilt the ice in third pair minutes

there are almost certainly more budget-friendly options out there that would be more workable to make a move for, but simply asking the "would jones make this team better" question I think the answer is yes. would require retention, though.

the bigger question is: if they're able to move severson in a separate deal first, what would it take from chicago to get you to take on jones' full deal, without retention? they have an extra first this year and a bunch of picks throughout the next few years.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Severson is 30. We're still talking about him reaching his potential? I think what we mean is he goes on a stretch of really good play.

To be clear, I am a fan of the guy's. In a world where pretty much everyone is overpaid, he's also overpaid.

 

[Napoli]

Severson is 30. We're still talking about him reaching his potential? I think what we mean is he goes on a stretch of really good play.

To be clear, I am a fan of the guy's. In a world where pretty much everyone is overpaid, he's also overpaid.

This issue with Severson is that the good doesnt outweigh the bad. He's playing well at the moment but then goes on a month of being absolutely unplayable. There arent many players making what he makes that have that level of inconsistency. For me, that is a player completely not worth the time and isnt someone you build around as you cannot rely on them unless they're in a good stretch.

The idea that he can somehow be remolded is farfetched, we'll see bad Severson again in the not so distant future.

 

[Napoli]

I think he'd be a bit more expensive than maybe some folks realize. underlying stats are really good this year – his athletic card has him at a +6, which is right around where voronkov/KJ/chinakhov are (all are +7 currently).

maybe a more realistic target than people around here realize (right handed, good defensive metrics, drafted by waddell) but maybe not an ideal add since he's not much of a playmaker. could do a lot worse, though.

if we're talking boston, I'd love to scoop up pavel zacha. true matchup forward but can contribute on a scoring line and puts up second line level production, very good on the dot, has term at a reasonable AAV and is reasonably young.


definitely agree with the idea that the ideal version of severson (one who is mistake-limited) is better than the current version of jones, but I'd argue that both players have fundamentally unfixable characteristics within their game at the moment. with jones, it's his glide/pivots/gaps, and with severson it's the mental side.

that said, severson may only be more valuable in a vacuum. mateychuk was awesome last night and looks to be on a trajectory where he's going to be a difference maker very soon. severson being a better potential fit on paper doesn't matter if evason doesn't trust him to play 20+ minutes, and he sure doesn't seem to.

schumacher drew a parallel between jones and provorov, but the key element of the provorov/severson dichotomy is that ice time is determined by the coach's trust more than it is by impact. seth jones, by that measure, has always been a player who coaches want out there playing huge minutes.

I don't think jones is an ideal target but there are some elements that appeal to me. a two-step where they bring in a retained seth jones and move out one of provorov/severson could be workable:

1. with jones in + severson out
   • werenski-fabbro
     mateychuk-jones
     provorov-gudbranson
   • dedicated shutdown pair, potential to swap provorov/mateychuk if mateychuk struggles, can treat provorov as an in-house rental, etc
2. with jones in + provorov out
   • werenski - fabbro
     mateychuk - jones
     christiansen - severson
     
     
   • no dedicated shutdown pair, but puts severson in a position to tilt the ice in third pair minutes

there are almost certainly more budget-friendly options out there that would be more workable to make a move for, but simply asking the "would jones make this team better" question I think the answer is yes. would require retention, though.

the bigger question is: if they're able to move severson in a separate deal first, what would it take from chicago to get you to take on jones' full deal, without retention? they have an extra first this year and a bunch of picks throughout the next few years.

All interesting thoughts.

If we're taking on Jones, Severson must be leaving the organization, either in the same trade or a different one. I deem Provorov much more reliable (so does Evason FWIW) and holds much more value in the market.

Would you swap out Provorov and Severson for Jones and Pelech/Pulock all things being relatively even?

You could potentially trade Severson for Jones straight up (doubt Damon would waive but who knows) and then trade Provorov to the highest bidder and use proceeds for a shutdown RD in Pulock. Or even parlay that into a dman who would really excel in Evason's system like Dobson.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

This issue with Severson is that the good doesnt outweigh the bad. He's playing well at the moment but then goes on a month of being absolutely unplayable. There arent many players making what he makes that have that level of inconsistency. For me, that is a player completely not worth the time and isnt someone you build around as you cannot rely on them unless they're in a good stretch.

The idea that he can somehow be remolded is farfetched, we'll see bad Severson again in the not so distant future.

I just took issue with the idea that Severson was still in the "could-realize-his-potential" category as a player, and that this was something that could be on the list of plans for the deadline.

 

[VT]

Looking at the entire roster, I don't know if we need anyone right now (the other thing is in preseason):

Voronkov - Monahan - Marchenko
Jenner - Fantilli - Johnson
JvR - Sillinger - Danforth
Aston-Reese - Kuraly - Olivier


Werenski, Fabbro
Mateychuk, Provorov
Christiansen, Severson

Chinakhov, Gudbranson (had/have lingering injuries).

Of course, we can think about goalies, but it's not that easy.

Although I've read that we're supposedly interested in some of the group: Evans, Armia, Nelson, Rakkell, even Cozens.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

All interesting thoughts.

If we're taking on Jones, Severson must be leaving the organization, either in the same trade or a different one. I deem Provorov much more reliable (so does Evason FWIW) and holds much more value in the market.

Would you swap out Provorov and Severson for Jones and Pelech/Pulock all things being relatively even?

You could potentially trade Severson for Jones straight up (doubt Damon would waive but who knows) and then trade Provorov to the highest bidder and use proceeds for a shutdown RD in Pulock. Or even parlay that into a dman who would really excel in Evason's system like Dobson.

Funnily enough, although those two are often grouped together as similar, in the article in question, Pelech often stands out positively while Pulock does so negatively.

 

[Cowumbus]

I think he'd be a bit more expensive than maybe some folks realize. underlying stats are really good this year – his athletic card has him at a +6, which is right around where voronkov/KJ/chinakhov are (all are +7 currently).

maybe a more realistic target than people around here realize (right handed, good defensive metrics, drafted by waddell) but maybe not an ideal add since he's not much of a playmaker. could do a lot worse, though.

Yeah, I thought our GM said he wanted to get players that would be around for a couple seasons.

 

[Napoli]

Funnily enough, although those two are often grouped together as similar, in the article in question, Pelech often stands out positively while Pulock does so negatively.

Personally Id take either one, both are above average defensively.